View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Given that we have riots when sports teams lose, is this really a point? Maybe we should be banning sporting events. The four cops beating up the black man were in direct violation of his rights and freedoms. But declared innocent was a travesty of justice. It is not a reason to violate other rights. You don't fix a wrong with a wrong. The King incident and riots would not be changed in anyway by allowing business owners to choose who they do and do not sell to for any reason.
    This may come as a shock to you, but government-enforced racism isn't the same thing as a sports game.

    Yes, the cops were beating the black man in direct violation of his rights and freedoms...and those of you who want a "right" to discriminate would be - in the eyes of most Americans and particularly in the eyes of minorities - would be taking away rights and freedoms that took minorities (especially blacks) centuries to win.

    And you think they wouldn't riot about that? Do you really?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is no such right. It is however a priviledge.
    If the transaction itself is the privilege, that holds true for both parties.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, free market really is selective market based on the property owners discretion. Basically, using your premise, we can never have a truly free market because people who don't own property are at the will of property owners. Now that is liberty at its best
    You are using the term "selective market" incorrectly. Selective marketing refers to marketing. IE advertising. And it is done all the time. Indeed it is a part of the free market idea.

    Selective marketing
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I think Maquistcat answered this fairly well. I would just like to add that there is a difference between denying a priviledge (me letting you buy my property) and that of cops beating up someone which violates thier rights...and getting away with it. As I have said countless times in this thread. As long as a person does not violate another persons rights then they can do what they want with their property.

    One thing that I have noticed through out my talking in this thread is that I have given proof as to why people have the right to discriminate based on the Rights that we currently have and are upheld by SCOTUS as Rights. Yet no one has given proof as to why people have a right to not be discriminated against. They've given opinions. But no proof.
    And what you're not getting is that YES, those cops beat him in violation of his rights...yet here you are advocating taking away their RIGHT to freedom FROM discrimination...which took minorities in general and blacks in particular centuries to win. Do you really think they wouldn't riot about losing that right, that freedom?

    If you do, you really don't know people half so well as you seem to think.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    This may come as a shock to you, but government-enforced racism isn't the same thing as a sports game.

    Yes, the cops were beating the black man in direct violation of his rights and freedoms...and those of you who want a "right" to discriminate would be - in the eyes of most Americans and particularly in the eyes of minorities - would be taking away rights and freedoms that took minorities (especially blacks) centuries to win.

    And you think they wouldn't riot about that? Do you really?
    There is no right to not be discriminated against. If there was then you would not be able to discriminate in who you are friends with and who you cannot be friends with. The government would decide who your friends are.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    If the transaction itself is the privilege, that holds true for both parties.
    Incorrect. One has the property and as such has property rights which includes the selling of said property. Rights will always trump priviledges.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You are using the term "selective market" incorrectly. Selective marketing refers to marketing. IE advertising. And it is done all the time. Indeed it is a part of the free market idea.

    Selective marketing
    I was not referring to advertising but if that term is confusing, let's use the term discriminating market.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, free market is just an illusion.
    What you're discussing is antithetical to free markets. You're closer to conscription and indentured servitude.

    Free market comprises voluntary bilateral contracts. If one side doesn't agree, the contract is null. That's a free market.

    Your compulsory crap is the opposite. Thank you for playing.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Incorrect. One has the property and as such has property rights which includes the selling of said property. Rights will always trump priviledges.
    One's making a transaction with that property. Selling= transaction.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What you're discussing is antithetical to free markets. You're closer to conscription and indentured servitude.

    Free market comprises voluntary bilateral contracts. If one side doesn't agree, the contract is null. That's a free market.

    Your compulsory crap is the opposite. Thank you for playing.
    No, it's not crap when someone is being prevented from participation due to his attributes. That is NOT a free market.

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