View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Doesn't that always seem to be the way they argue? "Oh if you're against this then you must be supporting that."
    Most definitely. Unfortenately for them the world is not black and white (no pun intended). It is many shades of grey. I often argue on behalf of peoples rights even when I don't support those peoples idea's. Such as racism. I may not like racism (in fact I hate it) but I recognize that even racists have rights. And I am not about to take away their rights just to spite them. Because of this standing for peoples rights I have often been called racist and a bigot. All because it's an "them or us" mentality.

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    Ok given this statement You've brought to mind a different set of conditions. Do you hold this to be true only in the realm of this country or is this a universal stance. IOW, if the US were to impose sanctions (I believe this is the word I'm looking for but correct me if I'm wrong) and ban the sale of goods to say China for labor sweat shop issues, or Saudi Arabia for nuclear weapon issues, is the government allowed to say that you can't sell to business and individuals in those countries? I realize that in a way it is opposite to the current thread in that the government is saying you can't sell instead of you must sell, but it still runs upon the same principle of the government telling you what to do with your property where that action does not invoke direct harm.
    Good question. I personally would say that private individuals should still be allowed to sell to them. BUT the Constitution gives the government the power to regulate international trade. And I can understand why it does so security wise. As such I must defer to the Constitution in this and allow the government to regulate such.

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Given that we have riots when sports teams lose, is this really a point? Maybe we should be banning sporting events. The four cops beating up the black man were in direct violation of his rights and freedoms. But declared innocent was a travesty of justice. It is not a reason to violate other rights. You don't fix a wrong with a wrong. The King incident and riots would not be changed in anyway by allowing business owners to choose who they do and do not sell to for any reason.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    As if slave labor doesn't invoke direct harm. Oh, but by gosh a private owner treating people like slaves is perfectly his right.
    How can a business owner denying to sell them his/her property be considered slavery? Or even treating them as such?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    As if slave labor doesn't invoke direct harm. Oh, but by gosh a private owner treating people like slaves is perfectly his right.
    Wow! Way to move to goal posts. Try to actually respond to what was said and not what you want it to mean. Let's reword since you seem incapable of comprehension.

    The US has imposed sanctions upon China over sweat shop issues. I want to sell to a person in China, who for sake of argument does not use such practices nor agrees with them. He's a minority in the country but still I am choosing to deal with him because of those practices. Does the government have that right to tell me I cannot sell my property to said individual?

    Your false analogy of a private owner not selling to an individual is akin to slave-hood is pitiful. They are of course not a slave and they are perfectly free to go to another business owner who has the same good or service who does not discriminate. Isn't it amazing how simple that is and fully within the realm of rights and freedom?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How can a business owner denying to sell them his/her property be considered slavery? Or even treating them as such?
    I was referring to the right that a business owner has the right to treat his workers as slave laborers. Re-read my post.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Wow! Way to move to goal posts. Try to actually respond to what was said and not what you want it to mean. Let's reword since you seem incapable of comprehension.

    The US has imposed sanctions upon China over sweat shop issues. I want to sell to a person in China, who for sake of argument does not use such practices nor agrees with them. He's a minority in the country but still I am choosing to deal with him because of those practices. Does the government have that right to tell me I cannot sell my property to said individual?

    Your false analogy of a private owner not selling to an individual is akin to slave-hood is pitiful. They are of course not a slave and they are perfectly free to go to another business owner who has the same good or service who does not discriminate. Isn't it amazing how simple that is and fully within the realm of rights and freedom?
    The simple fact is these people believe in equality By law not equality under the law. they want force of goverment to make everyone the same.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post

    Your false analogy of a private owner not selling to an individual is akin to slave-hood is pitiful. They are of course not a slave and they are perfectly free to go to another business owner who has the same good or service who does not discriminate. Isn't it amazing how simple that is and fully within the realm of rights and freedom?
    Oh, the delicious irony

    Wow! Way to move to goal posts. Try to actually respond to what was said and not what you want it to mean. Let's reword since you seem incapable of comprehension.
    Um, where did a I say this so called analogy of a private owner not selling to an individual is akin to slave-hood? Um, I didn't. You made that up. I was responding to your post about putting sanctions because of sweat shops.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The simple fact is these people believe in equality By law not equality under the law. they want force of goverment to make everyone the same.
    Nah, I don't want to make everyone the same because they are not. I just want them to be treated the same when conducting any kind of business transaction.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I was referring to the right that a business owner has the right to treat his workers as slave laborers. Re-read my post.
    There is absolutely nothing in your post which indicates that you were talking about employees. Since the topic is not about employees I had no reason to think that you were talking about them without some sort of indication that you were talking about them.

    That said, Lets stick to the topic OK? That is a different issue that deserves its own thread.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Um, where did a I say this so called analogy of a private owner not selling to an individual is akin to slave-hood? Um, I didn't. You made that up. I was responding to your post about putting sanctions because of sweat shops.
    Actually that was just an example he used to flesh out the question that he posed.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is absolutely nothing in your post which indicates that you were talking about employees. Since the topic is not about employees I had no reason to think that you were talking about them without some sort of indication that you were talking about them.

    That said, Lets stick to the topic OK? That is a different issue that deserves its own thread.
    You're right. It does deserve it's own thread. With that said, sanctions on countries that engage in slave labor is to punish those who inflict direct harm on workers. 'Nuff said

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