View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Just checking to see if you're always inconsistent, or only in claiming that no harm is done by refusing service.
    I've been consistant through out this thread. And there is no harm by refusing to sell an ipod to someone because of their skin color. Unless you consider them being offended as harm? If so, sorry, people do not have a right to not be offended.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Show me where a person has a right to force me to sell them something.
    Guy, 200 years ago you didn't have to sell something if you didn't want to...even if you were the only source of what could save that person's life. But MOST of America - not all, but MOST - eventually came to understand that treating people differently in any way just because of how they were born is wrong, simply wrong, and that nobody has any right to discriminate thusly.

    The freedom of speech is a god given right.
    No problem with that.

    The freedom of association is a god given right.
    No problem with that.

    The freedom to sell my property to who I want to and not sell to who I do not want to sell is also a god given right. It's MY property. Not theirs. I have a right to dictate who I sell it to.
    It is your 'right' in YOUR mind, and in the minds of those who think as YOU do. But in the minds of the significant majority of Americans, you have no such 'right'.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I bet you do that often.
    Yes, I do. Many people want to delegate to others unpleasant tasks that they don't feel that they themselves have the right to do.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've been consistant through out this thread. And there is no harm by refusing to sell an ipod to someone because of their skin color.
    Of course there is. It's an act of aggression, economic race warfare intended to create a second class citizenry. It's harmful to the free market (fraud) and society as a whole (aggression). It costs them time and inconvenience, and creates a hostile environment.

    Do you also support the power company refusing to service blacks when no medical reason for electricity exists? Using lanterns and firewood to boil water is not much more of an inconvenience than needing to drive further down the road or to the next town.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I'm sure that's probably how the Nazi's probably felt, too: "We have a right to tell the Jews that no, we don't want to do business with them!".

    But in reality, you have no such right except for in your mind and in the minds of those who believe as you do.
    Nice way to godwin there.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What harm is there in not selling someone an ipod just because they're <insert skin color here>?
    And THAT is the crux of the whole problem - you refuse to see the harm, to even acknowledge the harm.

    But fortunately, most of the rest of us DO understand what the harm is, and how it leads to greater harm, to greater injustice.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I asked you whether you think you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will.

    At least I take comfort in the fact that you refuse to answer.
    If the law stands that you cannot refuse to do business just because they're of a color that you don't like, that is NOT "violating the body or property of your fellow man". That's simply preventing discrimination and discouraging prejudice. That's simply preventing the seller from violating the rights of his or her prospective customers.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nice way to godwin there.
    You'll notice I violate Godwin's Law but rarely...but you certainly needed to be reminded of where legally-allowed discrimination and prejudice can lead.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course there is. It's an act of aggression, economic race warfare intended to create a second class citizenry. It's harmful to the free market (fraud) and society as a whole (aggression). It costs them time and inconvenience, and creates a hostile environment.
    Incorrect. You seem to forget that consumers have the same rights. They are well with in their rights to boycott an owner and make them lose business, perhaps even lose the company, due to the racists. It becomes harmful when it is government enforced.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you also support the power company refusing to service blacks when no medical reason for electricity exists? Using lanterns and firewood to boil water is not much more of an inconvenience than needing to drive further down the road or to the next town.
    If they receive absolutely no government monies then yes. But there isn't one single power company that doesn't recieve government monies, so no. It also depends on availability of firewood. If a person cannot reasonably get firewood then the government has the power to force a power company into providing electricity as without said firewood the person is reasonably in danger of losing their life due to the cold.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If the law stands that you cannot refuse to do business just because they're of a color that you don't like, that is NOT "violating the body or property of your fellow man".
    If, as you state, nobody violates the body or property of the person who discriminates, then there's no actual effect to the law, so then I don't care.

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