View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, well the same thing can be done with a business license. Why must a doctor be a servant while a shop owner gets to be king?
    Requiring a contract be agreed to practice your rights is a violation of rights.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a business owner , gets a tax i.d. number for tax purposes, he does not take or sign any contract...and the government cannot rules of conduct, because it has no authority to tell an individual citizen how to behave, ..if government could do that, then the door is open for them to make laws concerning the conduct of your personal life.

    a constitution is what gives government authority.....conduct morals, are not a duty of government.
    Oh, so now a doctor is not an individual person?

    Ah, um the rules of conduct is already open for private places of business to dictate as far as what a person can do during his personal time. Even if nothing is signed, a person can lose his job for doing things on his personal time 'king' owner deems undesirable to him. Why does the owner get to escape such oppression? Why does he get to be dictator? Do pray tell.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Requiring a contract be agreed to practice your rights is a violation of rights.
    Oh, I see. Not for the doctor but only for the owner of things.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    right, however when he became a doctor he took an oath that he would perform certain duties, he is taking an oral contract to get his practicing license.

    negligence, could be a charge against him
    According to your "principles", the doctor should not be obligated to take that oath. It goes against his "right of association". Thus, the "right of association" is not immutable.






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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Well it's pretty transparent after this short interaction who in such a 'perfect' society has great privilege and power and it ain't [sic] the doctors, police, public workers, consumers, workers. It is the property owner specifically merchants. Anyway, think tanks like this dispense this kind of power:
    Snip- The 1964 Civil Rights Act Is under Attack Today -- from Within | Cato Institute

    Forty years ago, Congress responded to the moral urgency of ending Jim Crow and bringing blacks and other minorities into the American mainstream by enacting the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Since then, the primary justification for anti-discrimination laws has shifted from this relatively limited goal to an authoritarian agenda aimed at eliminating all forms of supposedly invidious discrimination. Such a goal cannot possibly be achieved — or even pursued — without grave consequences for civil liberties.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Oh, so now a doctor is not an individual person?

    Ah, um the rules of conduct is already open for private places of business to dictate as far as what a person can do during his personal time. Even if nothing is signed, a person can lose his job for doing things on his personal time 'king' owner deems undesirable to him. Why does the owner get to escape such oppression? Why does he get to be dictator? Do pray tell.
    a doctor is taking an oath to do.....he must fulfill his oath or lose this license.....he could not obtain the license unless he agreed .

    there is no law for rules of conduct, government does not have that authority.....laws are made for rights violations or health and safety, not based on peoples behavior.

    the business owner signs no contract, he gets a tax i.d. and is in business......

    your last part, are you wanting to get into the owner/ worker relationship?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well it's pretty transparent after this short interaction who in such a 'perfect' society has great privilege and power and it ain't [sic] the doctors, police, public workers, consumers, workers. It is the property owner specifically merchants. Anyway, think tanks like this dispense this kind of power:
    Snip- The 1964 Civil Rights Act Is under Attack Today -- from Within | Cato Institute

    Forty years ago, Congress responded to the moral urgency of ending Jim Crow and bringing blacks and other minorities into the American mainstream by enacting the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Since then, the primary justification for anti-discrimination laws has shifted from this relatively limited goal to an authoritarian agenda aimed at eliminating all forms of supposedly invidious discrimination. Such a goal cannot possibly be achieved — or even pursued — without grave consequences for civil liberties.

    again, jim crow laws were government instituted discrimination laws.......i cant believe your guys keep throwing that back into the mix, ..i guess because you have got nothing else.

    constitutional law is supreme law, and no law is higher, not federal or state, you cannot make a law which overrides the constitutional law.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Oh, I see. Not for the doctor but only for the owner of things.
    a person does not have a right to be a doctor, he has a right to seek and be a doctor on his on merit.

    when something is a right, ..its yours, you cannot be denied it.

    that is why there is no right TO food or water....their is a right to seek food and water.

    a right to food and water, would mean it must be provided to you free of charge.

    a business owner or person has the right to commerce to buy and sell to ever they chose..........and NO, you don't have a right to force commerce thru them, you have the ability to seek commerce with other people who will deal with you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if a hospital refused service causing the lost of life, it violated health and safety.. and will lose its license.

    if a doctor is named for not caring for a person and he dies, then the doctor will lose his license, and can faces charges for a lesser extent, than murder 1
    I believe that only became true in the 80s - that hospitals were required to treat anybody who could potentially die without immediate medical intervention. But as far as I know, what you're saying is true only in the case of emergency treatment. What I mean is that, in theory, without discrimination law, a hospital could still refuse to see a patient based on race so long as they're not in need of immediate emergency intervention.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a doctor is taking an oath to do.....he must fulfill his oath or lose this license.....he could not obtain the license unless he agreed .

    there is no law for rules of conduct, government does not have that authority.....laws are made for rights violations or health and safety, not based on peoples behavior.

    the business owner signs no contract, he gets a tax i.d. and is in business......

    your last part, are you wanting to get into the owner/ worker relationship?
    Why not, we are talking about personal rights so it's also important to examine the rights these people who fund think tanks (that peach property rights) to get the whole picture. And, it's pretty easy to see the whole picture here. Individual rights are very limited for many people yet we sit here on this thread and fret about property rights. Oy vey!

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