View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    According to Gallup, more than half of Americans say they "do not respect" Muslims, and in turn, more than half of Muslims say they are not treated as equal. You make strides with one group and another becomes the target. There will always be a group of people who are hated and feared, and discrimination laws are a large part of what ensure that they will be able to pursue success and happiness without unbreakable barriers.

    The responsibility comment still makes no sense. I'm trying to put it into context. So my ancestor, a Jew, was refused treatment at the only reputable hospital he could get to in time for emergency surgery. So, you're saying that he needed to take responsibility and do the surgery himself? Or you're saying that other Jews, instead of being outraged that he was allowed to die, should have worked hard to build their own hospital? Then they could have had "separate but equal" hospitals and it would have made the Jews even more outcast.

    My contention is that they should have been outraged and lobbied for a law that prevented discrimination, because it didn't matter how hard they worked if people were still going to treat them as animals because of their religion.
    that would be a health and safety issue, you cannot discriminate over that, because government has authority in that area.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that would be a health and safety issue, you cannot discriminate over that, because government has authority in that area.
    Even though the government is forcing the doctors to engage in commerce against their will? What about their rights?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that would be a health and safety issue, you cannot discriminate over that, because government has authority in that area.
    Yes, please do explain how it is a 'lesser' form of servitude for a doctor to render his labor than a merchant to sell his gas?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yes, please do explain how it is a 'lesser' form of servitude for a doctor to render his labor than a merchant to sell his gas?
    Another illustration that this is not about principles or rights, it's about waging economic war against blacks.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Even though the government is forcing the doctors to engage in commerce against their will? What about their rights?

    government is instituted to protect life, liberty, and property.

    it does it by criminal law, and by regulation or administrative law

    when one person violates the rights of another ,its criminal

    when a person violates the rights of another person inadvertently by say a business, its regulation by fines.

    if a person under health and safety knowing with intend, seeks to cause pain suffering or death, then its criminal.

    if a hospital refused service causing the lost of life, it violated health and safety.. and will lose its license.

    if a doctor is named for not caring for a person and he dies, then the doctor will lose his license, and can faces charges for a lesser extent, than murder 1
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Another illustration that this is not about principles or rights, it's about waging economic war against blacks.
    It's getting more transparent is has nothing to do with principles based on the original premise.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if a doctor is named for not caring for a person and he dies, then the doctor will lose his license, and can faces charges for a lesser extent, than murder1
    The doctor didn't kill anyone. Your principle argument is BS. That's obvious now.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The doctor didn't kill anyone. Your principle argument is BS.

    right, however when he became a doctor he took an oath that he would perform certain duties, he is taking an oral contract to get his practicing license.

    negligence, could be a charge against him

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    right, however when he became a doctor he took an oath that he would perform certain duties, he is taking an oral contract to get his practicing license.
    Yeah, well the same thing can be done with a business license. Why must a doctor be a servant while a shop owner gets to be king?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, well the same thing can be done with a business license. Why must a doctor be a servant while a shop owner gets to be king?
    a business owner, gets a tax i.d. number for tax purposes, he does not take or sign any contract...and the government cannot create rules of conduct, because it has no authority to tell an individual citizen how to behave, ..if government could do that, then the door is open for them to make laws concerning the conduct of your personal life.

    a constitution is what gives government authority.....conduct, morals, are not a duty of government.

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