View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Think about what you are saying here. If people had the right to be treated as an equal then everyone must be paid the same. No one can have a better car than another. Everyone must be accepted into all the highest Universities regardless of grade scores. And so on ad nauseum.

    2: People don't have the right to be treated as equals because no one is equal to another.

    3: There are 3 seperate Rights outlined which just simply do not allow such or they will be infringed. Are 3 rights being infringed less important than someone being offended at being refused service?
    That's not at all what I meant. I simply mean treating people like people. You don't send them to the back of the bus because someone feels they are inferior. You don't tell them they can't make a purchase like your other consumers because you feel they are not worthy of your goods.

    Also, to suggest that it's only offending someone by not allowing them services is entirely missing the point. You are preventing them from accessing those resources on top of creating a society of exclusion and segregation which creates fear and violence. You are creating a society where people are allowed to deny services based on emotions. The most ironic thing is you are probably going to move people away from privatizing resources because they will fear that they will be deemed less worthy to purchase them and fear they will have to go without, have to pay a premium in order to get it or have to search around for like minded people to allow them access. That's really not very pragmatic at all.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Absolutely! I believe that individuals in power can and will create laws and take away people's rights. I also believe it is essential to keep that constantly in mind. That is what democracy, balance of power and due process are all about. But alone those are not enough. The citizen must always keep a watchful eye out for shenanigans. And one of those that is dangerous is preventing minorities from expressing their opinions.
    how can that be....since the bill of rights.....are restrictions on the federal government ,that they shall make no law, violating the rights of people.

    by the way, there is no balance of power in democracy.

    i dont know of anyone who is against minorities from expressing their opinions


    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [federal] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As I've said before, it's not equal footing to force someone to sell you their property.
    No one is forcing someone to sell their property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually police are servants. Servants of the people. And people have a right to own and operate a business so long as it doesn't infringe on other peoples rights.
    No, they serve. They get a pay check and seek to do the job. They way you use servant is in the terms of unwilling, slavish. That is hyperbole. And you do infringe on people rights when you take a class and deny service without justification.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You already think you know the answer so why should I bother? You've already made up your mind about me without knowing me in the slightest.
    It's a habit of mine...especially since what I said applies every other white I've ever met who said that racism isn't that prevalent anymore (or words to that effect).
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Get it straight. Jim Crows laws forced discrimination. As a business owner, I could not let blacks sit at my lunch counter with whites even if I wanted to. Jim Crow laws were also a violation of private property rights and freedom of association.
    Yes, in YOUR world, when the cops come pulling a black man out of a white man's place of business because that white man called the cops and said he doesn't allow black people in there, that's not state-enforced racism.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i know the government uses injustice..i think we all know that......which is what they are going in these cases.

    which is why the founders sought a republican form of government not a democratic one.....which is tyranny, and the left wants.
    I love how someone who uses a Waffen SS soldier as his avatar has set himself up as the sole authority on the constitution of the United States.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so you saying because the government would uphold a persons right,...........because he discriminated.......thats like a jim crow law?

    so in your mind ,you want the government to uphold, a persons ..non-right being discriminated against.

    so you favor, a federal law....to violate the rights of the people?
    Guy, you have a right to be a prejudiced as you want - but you do NOT have a right to discriminate against other people on the basis of how they were born. YOUR freedom ends where the other guy's freedom begins.

    Sorry, guy, but that is not a "God-given" human right - that's nothing more than a twist of logic used by racists to excuse their actions.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I love how someone who uses a Waffen SS soldier as his avatar has set himself up as the sole authority on the constitution of the United States.
    well i love the idea..you love....thats sweet!

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how can that be....since the bill of rights.....are restrictions on the federal government ,that they shall make no law, violating the rights of people.

    by the way, there is no balance of power in democracy.

    i dont know of anyone who is against minorities from expressing their opinions


    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [federal] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
    Thank you for answering so nicely. Sorrily I do not quite understand, what you are getting at and do not want to comment without understanding, what you mean. Could you, do you think, put that in language I might understand?

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