View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    You're not addressing me, but I find it disturbing that you think posing this question is legitimate. It shows that you either have no understanding of why the civil rights act was passed, or you accidentally typed random letters that formed your post and then accidentally hit the "post reply" button.

    Anti-discrimination laws exist because of the ongoing racial tension during the pre-civil rights era. Black Americans weren't merely tiffed about Jim Crow, they were suffering and treated as sub-human. Black people were not allowed to go to the best schools, or get good jobs. Everything else aside, those two things ruined generations of Black families in America. The civil rights act wasn't passed because, in theory, everybody should be treated as equal and thus the evil government started forcing innocent business owners to "engage in commerce." The civil rights act was passed because it had to be passed unless we were going to continue to allow unconscionable things to happen all over our nation. No decent, thinking human being should be able to make the argument that the civil rights act was a mistake. Your theoretical questions are irrelevant in view of the horrors that sparked anti-discrimination laws.
    I know exactly why they were passed. They are no longer needed. I know I know, blacks and hispanics etc etc are still being discriminated against. As i've said before, not near as much today as many would have people believe. Now it is a detriment. People need to start standing on their own and taking responsibility for their actions. Not keep running to Big Daddy Government to help bail them out of tough situations.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because it is sometimes just to discriminate based on financial considerations (like someone not offering the asking price), it is sometimes just to discriminate based on race? That's nonsense.
    That is one of those point of view things generalization tends to support.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Sounds more like modern day feudalism to me.
    Not really. You're not being given leave to reside on my land in exchange for labor. This is far removed from any sort of feudalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, freedom of association doesn't mean freedom to shut people out of business activities.
    And yet the buyer can shut the seller out of the transaction just as easily as the seller can shut out the buyer. Still on equal footing.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why? Because I wanted to purchase an item? Wanting to purchase something does not mean I am a king.
    Nor is wanting to sell something. If as a white guy I go to a white guy and he refuses to sell me something, but is willing to sell to others it is no different. The fact that you can force a sale is what is the issue.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Incorrect. You have a currently allowed priviledge to sue someone that refuses you service based on your skin color. You do not have a right to not be discriminated against. Indeed, your right to boycott + freedom of speech + freedom of association proves that you do not have a right to not be discriminated against. All of those Rights that I just mentioned in that last sentence benefit both you and the owner, and both also have a negative to both you and the owner.
    Why don't people have a right to be treated as an equal? When you discriminate you are not treating someone as an equal but inferior to yourself (general you). Why should someone have a right to treat another person as inferior? The answer is we can't under the Civil Rights Act. People do have rights to protect themselves from being treated as an inferior. It shouldn't matter where that person is being treated as an inferior. It's really that simple. People will take recourse if they feel their rights are violated. Yes, that is their right.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Not really. You're not being given leave to reside on my land in exchange for labor. This is far removed from any sort of feudalism.



    And yet the buyer can shut the seller out of the transaction just as easily as the seller can shut out the buyer. Still on equal footing.



    Nor is wanting to sell something. If as a white guy I go to a white guy and he refuses to sell me something, but is willing to sell to others it is no different. The fact that you can force a sale is what is the issue.

    Damn don't you people sleep? Not as many pages as the night before, but still.... Apologies if I covered again something already covered.
    It's never equal footing when someone can withhold resources from you due to something you can't change. That is called power over a person. That kind of power is illegal.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's not a play on words at all. Unless you have a different definition of "servant" than I do?
    A different usage was explained to you above. Police serve, but are not servants. Everyone is paid for their efforts, and no one is forced to go into business. So, you guys are continuing to be hyperbolic.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why don't people have a right to be treated as an equal? When you discriminate you are not treating someone as an equal but inferior to yourself (general you). Why should someone have a right to treat another person as inferior? The answer is we can't under the Civil Rights Act. People do have rights to protect themselves from being treated as an inferior. It shouldn't matter where that person is being treated as an inferior. It's really that simple. People will take recourse if they feel their rights are violated. Yes, that is their right.
    1: Think about what you are saying here. If people had the right to be treated as an equal then everyone must be paid the same. No one can have a better car than another. Everyone must be accepted into all the highest Universities regardless of grade scores. And so on ad nauseum.

    2: People don't have the right to be treated as equals because no one is equal to another.

    3: There are 3 seperate Rights outlined which just simply do not allow such or they will be infringed. Are 3 rights being infringed less important than someone being offended at being refused service?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A different usage was explained to you above. Police serve, but are not servants. Everyone is paid for their efforts, and no one is forced to go into business. So, you guys are continuing to be hyperbolic.
    Actually police are servants. Servants of the people. And people have a right to own and operate a business so long as it doesn't infringe on other peoples rights.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's never equal footing when someone can withhold resources from you due to something you can't change. That is called power over a person. That kind of power is illegal.
    As I've said before, it's not equal footing to force someone to sell you their property.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If businesses are allowed to discriminate, then the allowance of that discrimination must be backed by the force of law...which effectively makes it Jim Crow in all but name. You can deny it all you want...but that, sir, is a fact.
    so you saying because the government would uphold a persons right,...........because he discriminated.......thats like a jim crow law?

    so in your mind ,you want the government to uphold, a persons ..non-right being discriminated against.

    so you favor, a federal law....to violate the rights of the people?

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