View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    ummm what???? having a few drinks and blunts tonight?
    Your confusion is no surprise to me. I'm not gonna try to educate you so...

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

    whats more important is equality period.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Its one thing to force someone via laws and government intervention. Its quite another when its done by private individuals. The government has no right to force someone to serve another. Individuals have rights (which I already outlined previously) which can allow them to try to force them to. Note the word "try" there. Just because private individuals try to boycott something does not mean that they will succeed. Abortion clinics are proof of that.
    You're prior argument says I'm acting like a king if I simply want to buy a product and then take recourse via government law if the owner refuses my transaction due to race. Now your saying I'm not acting like a king by trying to force business away? Why is that? Either way I have a right correct? So, this really doesn't have to do with rights but rather fear of government?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You're prior argument says I'm acting like a king if I simply want to buy a product and then take recourse via government law if the owner refuses my transaction due to race. Now your saying I'm not acting like a king by trying to force business away? Why is that? Either way I have a right correct? So, this really doesn't have to do with rights but rather fear of government?
    Incorrect. You have a currently allowed priviledge to sue someone that refuses you service based on your skin color. You do not have a right to not be discriminated against. Indeed, your right to boycott + freedom of speech + freedom of association proves that you do not have a right to not be discriminated against. All of those Rights that I just mentioned in that last sentence benefit both you and the owner, and both also have a negative to both you and the owner.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm talking about racism (real racism, by the majority, not white people crying like little babies about crap with no impact at the societal level). I don't know what you're talking about. From what I can tell, you're denying that real racism exists.
    Well i have read this "sentence" like 6 times and it makes no sense at all. so lets break this down.


    "I'm talking about racism" 6 years ago i did not even think about racism. Living in Tn and seeing me and others working with black people daily. seeing white and blacks intermarry did not look racist to me maybe the world you live in looks different? I see white people going to NFL and NBA games wearing jersey of black players. Do you not see the same world as I see?



    I'm talking about racism "(real racism, by the majority," Real racism? i can show you real racism but since you threw that from the majority line its obvious you meant from white people. Well lets see your proof of this modern day racism you claim. i mean i see a black president, and many black elected officials all over this land you so proudly call racist.

    I'm talking about racism (real racism, by the majority, "not white people crying like little babies about crap with no impact at the societal level)"

    That whole statement just screams racism.

    I'm talking about racism (real racism, by the majority, not white people crying like little babies about crap with no impact at the societal level). I don't know what you're talking about. From what I can tell, you're denying that real racism exists

    From what i can tell your denying that real racism exists, you think that racism only exists against black people. When all i hear is racist remarks from black people. to be honest 6 years ago i was not a racist helped every person of color i could in some way shape or fashion. now?I am so sick of hearing this garbage after 6 years.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If you wanted people to be treated equally then you would support punishing a person that refused to buy from a business owner due to their race. Do you? I personally don't. That violates freedom of speech and their right to association.
    You're not addressing me, but I find it disturbing that you think posing this question is legitimate. It shows that you either have no understanding of why the civil rights act was passed, or you accidentally typed random letters that formed your post and then accidentally hit the "post reply" button.

    Anti-discrimination laws exist because of the ongoing racial tension during the pre-civil rights era. Black Americans weren't merely tiffed about Jim Crow, they were suffering and treated as sub-human. Black people were not allowed to go to the best schools, or get good jobs. Everything else aside, those two things ruined generations of Black families in America. The civil rights act wasn't passed because, in theory, everybody should be treated as equal and thus the evil government started forcing innocent business owners to "engage in commerce." The civil rights act was passed because it had to be passed unless we were going to continue to allow unconscionable things to happen all over our nation. No decent, thinking human being should be able to make the argument that the civil rights act was a mistake. Your theoretical questions are irrelevant in view of the horrors that sparked anti-discrimination laws.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Well i have read this "sentence" like 6 times and it makes no sense at all. so lets break this down.
    Let's not. I said good day.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what you and others believe is governments can create laws, to take away people rights, b....
    Absolutely! I believe that individuals in power can and will create laws and take away people's rights. I also believe it is essential to keep that constantly in mind. That is what democracy, balance of power and due process are all about. But alone those are not enough. The citizen must always keep a watchful eye out for shenanigans. And one of those that is dangerous is preventing minorities from expressing their opinions.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let's not. I said good day.

    well since you obviously pick out sentences and not whole discussions here it is
    Well i have read this "sentence" like 6 times and it makes no sense at all. so lets break this down.


    "I'm talking about racism" 6 years ago i did not even think about racism. Living in Tn and seeing me and others working with black people daily. seeing white and blacks intermarry did not look racist to me maybe the world you live in looks different? I see white people going to NFL and NBA games wearing jersey of black players. Do you not see the same world as I see?



    I'm talking about racism "(real racism, by the majority," Real racism? i can show you real racism but since you threw that from the majority line its obvious you meant from white people. Well lets see your proof of this modern day racism you claim. i mean i see a black president, and many black elected officials all over this land you so proudly call racist.

    I'm talking about racism (real racism, by the majority, "not white people crying like little babies about crap with no impact at the societal level)"

    That whole statement just screams racism.

    I'm talking about racism (real racism, by the majority, not white people crying like little babies about crap with no impact at the societal level). I don't know what you're talking about. From what I can tell, you're denying that real racism exists

    From what i can tell your denying that real racism exists, you think that racism only exists against black people. When all i hear is racist remarks from black people. to be honest 6 years ago i was not a racist helped every person of color i could in some way shape or fashion. now?I am so sick of hearing this garbage after 6 years.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you demand absolute uniformity, or the confusion is too great for you to overcome. That's such a strong position; very convincing.
    How exactly were you able to read that into my words?

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