View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Did you not read what I wrote? It is the fact that you could sue the owner and win, and you know you would win, if they refused service to you based on your skin color that is putting you above, not equal to, the owner. It has nothing to do with your willingness to purchase an item. It has everything to do with what would happen if they refused you service based on your skin color. Once again, since you seemed to ignore it.

    If a consumer walks into a store and sees that the owner of the store is of a race that they are racist over they are free to leave, no legal course exists to prevent that. If the owner sees a person of a race they are racist against and refuses service then there is legal recourse for that consumer. Who here is favored? Who here is being treated in a superior way? Who here is the lord? The king?
    So, if there was no law to protect a person from discrimination, they could still take resource by boycotting your store. People are going to seek resource if they are unfairly treated. Would that make the owner a victim?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Sure, and in medieval times lords and those deemed nobel didn't have to associate with the serfs at all, but we don't live in medieval times. People are still allowed to act like lords and kings but not in a place of business and send the serfs away. We have evolved. I've no desire to regress because libertarians think in absolutes.
    You're right, we have evolved. We recognize that everyone has rights. Including business owners. But what you are doing is reversing who are the lords and who are the serfs. You want the serfs to be the lords and the lords to be the serfs. I want everyone to have equal rights. Which means I don't want lords or serfs to exist.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're right, we have evolved. We recognize that everyone has rights. Including business owners. But what you are doing is reversing who are the lords and who are the serfs. You want the serfs to be the lords and the lords to be the serfs. I want everyone to have equal rights. Which means I don't want lords or serfs to exist.
    And, the only way to have equal rights is to treat people as equal under the law which is why we have civil right laws.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, if there was no law to protect a person from discrimination, they could still take resource by boycotting your store. People are going to seek resource if they are unfairly treated. Would that make the owner a victim?
    Of his own stupidity. People have a right to boycott. Its called freedom of speech, and Right to a peaceful assembly. The owner of a business has no right to not be boycotted.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    And, the only way to have equal rights is to treat people as equal under the law which is why we have civil right laws.
    If you wanted people to be treated equally then you would support punishing a person that refused to buy from a business owner due to their race. Do you? I personally don't. That violates freedom of speech and their right to association.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Of his own stupidity. People have a right to boycott. Its called freedom of speech, and Right to a peaceful assembly. The owner of a business has no right to not be boycotted.
    But with your logic, isn't he being forced by the public to act decently if he wants business?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If you wanted people to be treated equally then you would support punishing a person that refused to buy from a business owner due to their race. Do you? I personally don't. That violates freedom of speech and their right to association.
    Wouldn't a boycott punish this poor victim of an owner?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm talking about racism (real racism, by the majority, not white people crying like little babies about crap with no impact at the societal level). I don't know what you're talking about. From what I can tell, you're denying that real racism exists.

    ummm what???? having a few drinks and blunts tonight?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    But with your logic, isn't he being forced by the public to act decently if he wants business?
    Its one thing to force someone via laws and government intervention. Its quite another when its done by private individuals. The government has no right to force someone to serve another. Individuals have rights (which I already outlined previously) which can allow them to try to force them to. Note the word "try" there. Just because private individuals try to boycott something does not mean that they will succeed. Abortion clinics are proof of that.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Wouldn't a boycott punish this poor victim of an owner?
    Already answered in post 1299.
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