View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Thats a two way street bud. You do realize that don't you? That allowing a person to force a business transaction with someone that doesn't want to do so is allowing that person to be superior over another.
    How am I forcing you when I'm willing to pay?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Tell me how I'm acting like a lord if I am waiting in line to purchase a bottle of water?
    What if you get to the front of the line and decide to not buy the bottle of water because you notice the seller is black?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Of course not. Just on his private property as is everyone's right on their private property.
    Sounds more like modern day feudalism to me.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Tell me how I'm acting like a lord if I am waiting in line to purchase a bottle of water?
    If the owner does not wish to serve you because of your skin color, and he refuses to do so what are you going to do? Sue him right? The fact that you would win such a case proves that you would be the lord in such a situation.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You forgot the "Freedom of Association" part of my post. Between the two, yes, people do have a right to shut others out of business transactions due to their prejudices.
    No, freedom of association doesn't mean freedom to shut people out of business activities.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    How am I forcing you when I'm willing to pay?
    Being willing to pay has nothing to do with it. The fact that if that owner refused to give you service based on your skin color you would sue him and you would win is forcing him to serve you. You know that you would win such a case. You can lord that over the owner quite easily.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If the owner does not wish to serve you because of your skin color, and he refuses to do so what are you going to do? Sue him right? The fact that you would win such a case proves that you would be the lord in such a situation.
    Why? Because I wanted to purchase an item? Wanting to purchase something does not mean I am a king.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, freedom of association doesn't mean freedom to shut people out of business activities.
    It means that you can associate with whomever you want to. There is no qualifications or exception to it. You are the one trying to add exceptions to the Right.

    The only time an exception can be allowed is if said right can interfere in someone elses right in some way. No ones right is violated if you refuse to provide service to someone because of thier skin color. No one has a right to not be discriminated against.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It means that you can associate with whomever you want to. There is no qualifications or exception to it. You are the one trying to add exceptions to the Right.

    The only time an exception can be allowed is if said right can interfere in someone elses right in some way. No ones right is violated if you refuse to provide service to someone because of thier skin color. No one has a right to not be discriminated against.
    Sure, and in medieval times lords and those deemed nobel didn't have to associate with the serfs at all, but we don't live in medieval times. People are still allowed to act like lords and kings but not in a place of business and send the serfs away. We have evolved. I've no desire to regress because libertarians think in absolutes.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why? Because I wanted to purchase an item? Wanting to purchase something does not mean I am a king.
    Did you not read what I wrote? It is the fact that you could sue the owner and win, and you know you would win, if they refused service to you based on your skin color that is putting you above, not equal to, the owner. It has nothing to do with your willingness to purchase an item. It has everything to do with what would happen if they refused you service based on your skin color. Once again, since you seemed to ignore it.

    If a consumer walks into a store and sees that the owner of the store is of a race that they are racist over they are free to leave, no legal course exists to prevent that. If the owner sees a person of a race they are racist against and refuses service then there is legal recourse for that consumer. Who here is favored? Who here is being treated in a superior way? Who here is the lord? The king?
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