View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    No. We have civil rights to keep the government from infringing on our natural rights.
    Oh, your (general you) right to be a bigot is a 'natural right' compared to their right to be of a different race, creed, religion etc....is that not a 'natural' right?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I took it to mean
    Just stop right there and let's ponder the void that statement creates.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Just stop right there and let's ponder the void that statement creates.
    So what DID you mean?

    Are you okay with taking people's property?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, how dare the American government take away that baker's right to refuse service to someone else just because that someone else had a lifestyle the baker didn't like! How dare the American government outlaw acts of prejudice and discrimination!



    Yeah, how dare the American government pass standards for conduct of a business and somehow expect that the same laws should apply to everybody, instead of allowing certain businesses to say, "well, we don't want to follow that law because it's against our religion"...never mind that it's NOT part of that religion that the business owners must have that business. Of course, if I can't legally run a business without violating my religious beliefs (and I am very much a strong Christian), then I won't run that business - I'll find a different business to run.



    Yeah, how dare people speak out against celebrities saying that Jim Crow wasn't so bad, that 'blacks were happier back then'! And how dare the networks react to the people speaking out against that radio show personality because they thought they might actually lose some business!



    And how DARE the government target left-leaning groups for a longer period of time than it did right-leaning groups! The government should ONLY have targeted left-leaning groups, I guess.



    Mm-hmm...yes, we all remember how those of differing viewpoints like "communist" and "socialist" and "Muslim" and "gay" and "lesbian" and "transsexual" and "HIV-positive" were SO WELCOMED back in the day, weren't they?



    Yes, the emotional, physical, and economic retribution now is certainly worse than it was against blacks during Jim Crow, worse than it was against LGBT's before the 2000's, worse than it was against communists and socialists during the Cold War (particularly the McCarthy era), worse than it was against anyone who wasn't white since before the Declaration of Independence was signed...

    ...yeah, things are SO BAD, SO TERRIBLE for those on the Right - they're being SO PERSECUTED! They're the real victims, right?
    Good. Then you agree that we have less rights to our liberties, speech, choices, and self determination than we used to have and people are expected to conform to somebody else's ideas of how they should speak, think, and behave. See how easy that was?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    Everyone discriminates. I don't go to rap concerts or tractor pulls. There is no right to racial discrimination but nothing stops an individual to not accept white or black friends. If you are talking about companies that serve the public the right to discriminate doesn't exist.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So what DID you mean?
    My statement was for others, not you. I don't expect you to understand, and I don't care what you understand and don't.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My statement was for others, not you. I don't expect you to understand, and I don't care what you understand and don't.
    So do you think you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Ok. On one hand, a person should be able to run their business any way they want and let the free market sort it out, which is the usual argument.

    On the other hand, if say a gay person lives in a predominantly religiously zealous community and they are refused service at a restaurant, the likelihood that all the restaurants in the area are holding the same discriminant mindsets are pretty high and well, quite frankly, a person shouldn't have to leave their hometown to receive any kind of service.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is one of the few subjects on which I disagree with many of my fellow libertarians. I think the benefit of (most) anti-discrimination laws is ultimately worth the small sacrifice of some people's liberty.

    If you want to open your business to the public, that is exactly what you're going to have to do.
    This is exactly why some "members-only" clubs/organizations/associations exist...exclusive membership at the exclusion of others who don't meet eligibility requirements. And if sex, race, marital status, income/education level, religion, etc., etc. are prerequisites for membership, I don't think most people would have a problem with not including those who wouldn't otherwise qualify. Of course, it's a different story when a facility that any reasonable person knows should be open to the public as you've stated and certain people are kept out, i.e., public swimming pool or a dinner on Route 66.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The point is you are not serving them. Some people may say any person who works consumer service does serve the public. That doesn't mean you are a servant, and neither are people who have to sell lottery tickets to people on welfare. They may hate the idea but that does not make them a servant. The whole word is being so misused.
    Yes, you are serving them. That's what the whole service industry is about. Serving. The name is built right in there. The difference here is whether you are serving someone willingly or unwillingly. Willingly, you are not a servant. Unwillingly and you are a servant.
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