View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Sounds like doublespeak to me too. So why are you advocating a free society that uses the government to coerce individuals into associating with someone they don't like against their will?
    The government doesn't make you associate with people you don't like. Selling goods to someone isn't the same thing as associating with them.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I'm not comparing a slave to someone selling items. I'm comparing the claim on someone's property to the claim on someone's property.
    What?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Orwell would have LOVED you!

    Why? Because you've turned "No, you can't refuse a person's business just because of how he was born" to "VIOLATING THE BODY OR PROPERTY OF YOUR FELLOW MAN!!!!!!!"
    When you say, "No, you can't refuse a person's business just because of how he was born", you mean "If you refuse a person's business just because of how he was born, I will violate your body or property."

    See, it's the threat of the initiation of aggression with which I have the ethical issue.

    I would have have no problem saying, "If you refuse a person's business just because of how he was born, I will shun you and convince others to shun you," I would have no problem doing that.

    How terrrrrrrrible, how utterly tyrannical it must be to FORCE someone to make money by dealing with people guilty of nothing more than being born the wrong color!
    I consider initiating violence against one's fellow man is to be terrible and criminal.

    Guy, you truly have my pity.
    Do you think it's ethical to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I certainly don't see any evidence of comprehension.
    Irony

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's not bondage to conduct business even if you dislike what you do. Simply quit if you dislike serving the public. Business is conducted in order to make a transaction, that was my point.
    It's bondage if you make a person serve you. Which is what you are advocating.

    And "simply quit"? So you think that people who discriminate doesn't deserve the right to own and operate a business? Isn't that discrimination also?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    As to your second point, I agree. If we gave humans free reign to conduct business based on emotions, you would have a vile mess on your hands. We had that pre-civil right's laws.
    In otherwords you don't want people to be free. You want them to serve.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Not at all. I didn't say that I cannot tell the difference between positions. I do, however, believe that other people have different oppinions on the basis of other inputs and what else. I believe that any of us can be wrong and that therfore in normal times a society is better served, if it allows equal opportunity of expression.
    So you demand absolute uniformity, or the confusion is too great for you to overcome. That's such a strong position; very convincing.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's bondage if you make a person serve you. Which is what you are advocating.

    And "simply quit"? So you think that people who discriminate doesn't deserve the right to own and operate a business? Isn't that discrimination also?



    In otherwords you don't want people to be free. You want them to serve.
    Owning a business doesn't make you a servant.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "racism may still exist".

    I think that phrase shows it all - "racism MAY still exist".

    That, sir, is the problem.
    Yes, it still does exist. But like the rest of my statement says that you apparently ignored, its not near as rampant as many would like to believe or espouse.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Owning a business doesn't make you a servant.
    No it doesn't. But forcing the business owner to serve people that they do not want to serve does.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No it doesn't. But forcing the business owner to serve people that they do not want to serve does.
    No, that still doesn't make them servants.

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