View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    So many people are mistaken about the effects of allowing the government to discriminate. Multiple posts have referred to things like "the public interest" and "the greater good", implying that the government has to discriminate in order to improve society. No, allowing the government to discriminate literally destroys lives. So believe whatever you want, but remember that when you argue in favor of allowing the government to discriminate, you're advocating for a system under which we're all equal, but some are more equal than others. You could call it a just system, but only if the government says it is.
    Wait. Who is advocating for the government to be allowed to discriminate? Last I checked the argument was that individuals should be allowed to discriminate even within the confines of their private business. I'll admit that there are a lot of post that I have not read because you guys are blowing up this thread and there a ton of new pages that posted both between when I went to bed last night and waking up this morning, and between my leaving for work and getting home tonight. It's hard to keep up with it all.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And the blacks would walk in and demand service, the business owner would call the cops and they would be forced to enforce the law by physically removing the blacks...and reporters would be getting the whole thing on tape and it would be viewed around the world literally in less than a minute.

    And what would happen then? I think you know. How many innocent people would die in the ensuing riots? And is that really where you want America to go?
    I don't know. How many people have died because we allow the westboro baptist church to be hateful idiots. They've been at that for a long time. Or are you saying there will only be riots because we're talking about black people instead of gay people or the families of dead soldiers...because that would be a racist thing to say.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    It's Thursday and I only sell to the first and third customers on Thursday. It's my religion, so I'm going to sue you for violating my civil rights.
    That's fine because you're not discriminating based on a person's attributes.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Guy, it does. not. matter. what YOUR ethical beliefs are. The worst mistake people make is, "well, everything would be better if"...and then they go using whatever rhetoric to back up what they think is eminently logical.
    You mean something like this:

    Well, everything would be better if we just outlawed discrimination
    I guess you can have your freedom from discrimination, but you can't make any choices for yourself if we all have freedom from discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, you're aware of this. That makes your claim a lie and not just ignorance.



    You fail to comprehend. They are capable, as evidenced by their success despite oppression and poverty.



    So, when a black needs to go to a different store, it's too bad for them; however, when a white needs to go to a different school it's injustice. What hypocrisy.
    Do you even read any of the words on the page before responding to people's posts? I certainly don't see any evidence of comprehension.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I am old enough to remember that a baker was able to refuse to participate in an activity to which he did not approve without it becoming major headlines, the fodder of endless discussion, and a catalyst for angry protesters demanding justice.
    Yeah, how dare the American government take away that baker's right to refuse service to someone else just because that someone else had a lifestyle the baker didn't like! How dare the American government outlaw acts of prejudice and discrimination!

    I am old enough to remember when a businessman could express support for right to life or traditional marriage or a belief that men and women are physically and tempermentally different without some angry mob descending upon him demanding that he be punished for his views.
    Yeah, how dare the American government pass standards for conduct of a business and somehow expect that the same laws should apply to everybody, instead of allowing certain businesses to say, "well, we don't want to follow that law because it's against our religion"...never mind that it's NOT part of that religion that the business owners must have that business. Of course, if I can't legally run a business without violating my religious beliefs (and I am very much a strong Christian), then I won't run that business - I'll find a different business to run.

    I can remember when a reality show personality could express his religious beliefs when asked without organized powers demanding that he lose his position and livelihood. I can remember when people had a sense of decency and fair play and would not demand retribution be heaped on a television show host when it was revealed she had used a politically correct word many years before.
    Yeah, how dare people speak out against celebrities saying that Jim Crow wasn't so bad, that 'blacks were happier back then'! And how dare the networks react to the people speaking out against that radio show personality because they thought they might actually lose some business!

    I can remember when people with name recognition did not have to fear IRS audits or other 'unusual' investigations when they spoke out in protest of certain government officials or policies.
    And how DARE the government target left-leaning groups for a longer period of time than it did right-leaning groups! The government should ONLY have targeted left-leaning groups, I guess.

    I am old enough to remember when people of widely differing points of view were invited, welcomed, and treated with great respect on college campuses, but that was when students were taught to think critically and evaluate different points of view rather than being indoctrinated with one 'right' permissible point of view that is all that is allowed to be on campus.
    Mm-hmm...yes, we all remember how those of differing viewpoints like "communist" and "socialist" and "Muslim" and "gay" and "lesbian" and "transsexual" and "HIV-positive" were SO WELCOMED back in the day, weren't they?

    There is a difference between an assumed right to speak out, and being subjected to organized emotional, physical, and/or economic retribution if you do.
    Yes, the emotional, physical, and economic retribution now is certainly worse than it was against blacks during Jim Crow, worse than it was against LGBT's before the 2000's, worse than it was against communists and socialists during the Cold War (particularly the McCarthy era), worse than it was against anyone who wasn't white since before the Declaration of Independence was signed...

    ...yeah, things are SO BAD, SO TERRIBLE for those on the Right - they're being SO PERSECUTED! They're the real victims, right?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Figure it out. I don't care if you get up to speed.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right because a free society is an oppressed one. Sounds like doublespeak to me.
    Sounds like doublespeak to me too. So why are you advocating a free society that uses the government to coerce individuals into associating with someone they don't like against their will?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, how dare the American government take away that baker's right to refuse service to someone else just because that someone else had a lifestyle the baker didn't like! How dare the American government outlaw acts of prejudice and discrimination!



    Yeah, how dare the American government pass standards for conduct of a business and somehow expect that the same laws should apply to everybody, instead of allowing certain businesses to say, "well, we don't want to follow that law because it's against our religion"...never mind that it's NOT part of that religion that the business owners must have that business. Of course, if I can't legally run a business without violating my religious beliefs (and I am very much a strong Christian), then I won't run that business - I'll find a different business to run.



    Yeah, how dare people speak out against celebrities saying that Jim Crow wasn't so bad, that 'blacks were happier back then'! And how dare the networks react to the people speaking out against that radio show personality because they thought they might actually lose some business!



    And how DARE the government target left-leaning groups for a longer period of time than it did right-leaning groups! The government should ONLY have targeted left-leaning groups, I guess.



    Mm-hmm...yes, we all remember how those of differing viewpoints like "communist" and "socialist" and "Muslim" and "gay" and "lesbian" and "transsexual" and "HIV-positive" were SO WELCOMED back in the day, weren't they?



    Yes, the emotional, physical, and economic retribution now is certainly worse than it was against blacks during Jim Crow, worse than it was against LGBT's before the 2000's, worse than it was against communists and socialists during the Cold War (particularly the McCarthy era), worse than it was against anyone who wasn't white since before the Declaration of Independence was signed...

    ...yeah, things are SO BAD, SO TERRIBLE for those on the Right - they're being SO PERSECUTED! They're the real victims, right?

    what? are you admitting government is violating the bakers right........ you dont like the Constitution at all, it it gets in your way do you.

    government passes a standard of conduct.????....hmmmm. then that would also give them the power to set conduct for how we behave in our life's to.......no sleeping around, no over eating or drinking, no foul language, no porn, ......i wonder when government got authority to be a moral entity.....since it is composed of people, ...so elected leaders, are morally superior to me and the rest of the population.

    your Jim crow law does not work, that was government discrimination, and it has been stated to you several times and you keep using it, because you out of ammo.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, and one of the points of the movie is that the slave master felt the slaves were their property and they owned that labor. Please stop comparing a slave to someone selling items.
    I'm not comparing a slave to someone selling items. I'm comparing the claim on someone's property to the claim on someone's property.

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