View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post

    So many people are mistaken about the effects of discrimination. Multiple posts have referred to the effects of discrimination as being merely "offensive," implying that the only reason we have these laws are so that minorities won't be upset about not being served. No, discrimination would literally destroy lives. So believe whatever you want, but remember that when you argue that we should do away with anti-discrimination laws, you're advocating for a system under which people are allowed to die when they would be saved if they were white, or christian, or straight. Is that a system you'd call just?
    So many people are mistaken about the effects of allowing the government to discriminate. Multiple posts have referred to things like "the public interest" and "the greater good", implying that the government has to discriminate in order to improve society. No, allowing the government to discriminate literally destroys lives. So believe whatever you want, but remember that when you argue in favor of allowing the government to discriminate, you're advocating for a system under which we're all equal, but some are more equal than others. You could call it a just system, but only if the government says it is.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Maybe in your world "open to the public doesn't equal public", but in America, "open to the public" means that ANYONE can walk in there.
    No. It really doesn't mean that. If you own the place and you ask someone to leave, it's no longer open to that person.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    It's not legal rhetoric. It's simple ethics.

    Nobody has the right to violate the body or property of his neighbor to coerce him to do business against his will. It's unjust. One cannot achieve justice by acting unjustly.

    That's why, despite the fact that I abhor discrimination, I can't justify choosing to initiate aggression in order to prevent it. The initiation of aggression is not the answer. I would choose another way.
    You peacenik hippy. Why won't you join us in using the hammer of tolerance to beat these racists into submission?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post

    And speaking of strange, you oh-so-seriously warn of tyranny is what the Left wants, yet you're the one with what certainly looks like a picture of a soldier of the Wehrmacht as an avatar, and your "location" is "on the battlefield pointing my Luger". Judging by your name, you're probably German - though that's by no means any guarantee - and maybe you're just proud of Germany's military past...

    ...but if you're as staunchly against tyranny as your words indicate, I find it strange that your avatar and "location" are such as they are.
    i don't find this strange at all, every time i argue with some on the left and once with someone on the right, and i do it long enough ,that person soon turns to nazis, and talking about me personally......hmmmm could it be you have been left in the dust, with your logic, and cannot argue against the founders ,the constitution, and rights.....that you must go in that direction.......

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The CRA-1964 is Constitutional.
    That's precious.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i already told you.....

    its 1858, you work for me, and i tell you to go do something, and you give me lip.........i tell you shut the fvck up and get out dont come back......what are you going to do about it?.....nothing....so i exercised free of speech to a max degree.

    today........ if i told you that, you would run to a federal agency, and complain, and i would be investigated by government, and paid fines to government, and you would sue me for a million bucks and claim i hurt you emotionally...thru the freedom of speech in 1858 is more than 2014.
    Really? What do you think would have happened in 1858 had you displayed what our modern pornography shows? What do you think would have happened if you went to your child's school and told them that no, they can't use taxpayer money to celebrate 'Christmas'? What do you think would have happened if you burned an American flag in public?

    No, the freedom of speech then doesn't even come close to what we have now.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? What do you think would have happened in 1858 had you displayed what our modern pornography shows? What do you think would have happened if you went to your child's school and told them that no, they can't use taxpayer money to celebrate 'Christmas'? What do you think would have happened if you burned an American flag in public?

    No, the freedom of speech then doesn't even come close to what we have now.

    sorry, you asked to name something and i did, and clearly that expression of speech of 1858 is far greater than it is today...today i would be fined and sued.....and you know that.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    voting under the founders was not a right, its a privilege, because the founders knew the poor, and their [always is the poor] would use their vote, to take money and property from those who have it......it you paid taxes and had property, you could vote because your contributing to society.
    And you think we should go back to that?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And you think we should go back to that?
    i am arguing right to property, which you do not recognize ,even though the constitution does.


    when it comes to work, i want contract law, of the founders....you sign a contract to do, and anything not in it ....you are free to do.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm not making an unjustly demand. You're open for business. I'm acting respectful and will pay what you want for your product. Why can't I buy it? The man in front of me did and so did the man behind me. Please explain.
    It's Thursday and I only sell to the first and third customers on Thursday. It's my religion, so I'm going to sue you for violating my civil rights.

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