View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, no, pick a year - any year - and tell me when your freedom of speech, your ability to protest, to speak out for what you thought was right...was greater than it is right now.
    i already told you.....

    its 1858, you work for me, and i tell you to go do something, and you give me lip.........i tell you shut the fvck up and get out dont come back......what are you going to do about it?.....nothing....so i exercised free of speech to a max degree.

    today........ if i told you that, you would run to a federal agency, and complain, and i would be investigated by government, and paid fines to government, and you would sue me for a million bucks and claim i hurt you emotionally...thru the freedom of speech in 1858 is more than 2014.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no, you don't have a natural right to be served my me....that's illogical

    as stated before..nothing can be a right it it lays a cost or burden on another citizen...... that is why food and water, cannot be a right.

    No, your right to discriminate does not trump my right to buy food and water.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Exactly. People get into business to make themselves feel good and to better their lives. The amount of profits one makes is just one factor in.
    I think it's great if one wants to better themselves. What does that have to do with denying someone the right to buy a bottle of water in your store because you don't like my attributes?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So voting cannot be a right since it costs the taxpayers money in order to hold an election.
    voting under the founders was not a right, its a privilege, because the founders knew the poor, and their [always is the poor] would use their vote, to take money and property from those who have it......it you paid taxes and had property, you could vote because your contributing to society.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, no, pick a year - any year - and tell me when your freedom of speech, your ability to protest, to speak out for what you thought was right...was greater than it is right now.
    I am old enough to remember that a baker was able to refuse to participate in an activity to which he did not approve without it becoming major headlines, the fodder of endless discussion, and a catalyst for angry protesters demanding justice.

    I am old enough to remember when a businessman could express support for right to life or traditional marriage or a belief that men and women are physically and tempermentally different without some angry mob descending upon him demanding that he be punished for his views.

    I can remember when a reality show personality could express his religious beliefs when asked without organized powers demanding that he lose his position and livelihood. I can remember when people had a sense of decency and fair play and would not demand retribution be heaped on a television show host when it was revealed she had used a politically correct word many years before.

    I can remember when people with name recognition did not have to fear IRS audits or other 'unusual' investigations when they spoke out in protest of certain government officials or policies.

    I am old enough to remember when people of widely differing points of view were invited, welcomed, and treated with great respect on college campuses, but that was when students were taught to think critically and evaluate different points of view rather than being indoctrinated with one 'right' permissible point of view that is all that is allowed to be on campus.

    There is a difference between an assumed right to speak out, and being subjected to organized emotional, physical, and/or economic retribution if you do.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, your right to discriminate does not trump my right to buy food and water.
    what?.......i said you have no right to food and water.......there is no right in the constitution for food and water, ...because to do so would mean, it would have to be provided to you at the cost of someone else.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Is your HOUSE open to the PUBLIC? No. Is your BUSINESS open to the PUBLIC? Except for private clubs, YES. It might be a person's private property, but a person's business is open to the public, while that person's house is private. Do you see the difference? Yes, you do.
    Sure. "Open to the public" does not mean absolutely anyone who wants to be there can be there any time they like (unless that's the way the owner of the place wants it). You understand this, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    How many people here have lived in a town where there was a business with a whites-only entrance? As far as I can tell, only me. And that town did have a whites-only private club. I really don't want to see America to go back to days like that.
    I'm pretty sure my town had such a thing, but not in my lifetime. We had plenty of racists. I was one of them when I was a kid. Know what changed my mind? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't being forced to hang around a black guy by law.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    No. That's not the lesson. You cannot own another person. That's true, but you do, always, own yourself. You are your own property. The rest of your property is an extension of you. You own your labor. I can't force you to trade your labor to me for any reason. Do you think I should be able to?
    Right, and one of the points of the movie is that the slave master felt the slaves were their property and they owned that labor. Please stop comparing a slave to someone selling items.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i know the government uses injustice..i think we all know that......which is what they are going in these cases.

    which is why the founders sought a republican form of government not a democratic one.....which is tyranny, and the left wants.
    If there's one thing I've found, it's that every single person who cries out that America is a tyranny or this or that American political party wants a tyranny...has precisely zero clue as to what a tyranny is.

    And no, in the cases to which I refer, the government's not "using injustice" - sometimes it's war, and sometimes it's business as usual, and sometimes it's doing the bidding of the mega-corporations...but you, sir, have rights only until the USA (or whatever nation you happen to be in) decides it's in the best interest of the nation to take those rights away. Sorry, guy, but that's reality.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, and one of the points of the movie is that the slave master felt the slaves were their property and they owned that labor. Please stop comparing a slave to someone selling items.
    Its sad that some people can't tell the difference. Its what happens with someone only deals in absolutes or as if this whole discussion was a binary choice. They equate absurd things.

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