View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, that is a great example of bondage
    you stated what i said before was extreme.

    it was not extreme, ..how is how governments in business works, coercion.....make me do something, or i can no longer be in business

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I will admit that Kant has something absolutist in the requirement for rationality. I don't think it would be correct to associate the categorical imperative with limited analytical capacity, however.
    You said your problem with just and unjust discrimination is your own inability to differentiate between the two, and that this has lead you to an absolutist position.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Actually, telling someone they don't have to compete at the same level everyone else does is a lower standard. What you want is for minimum standard to be the standard, which is bad for society on every level.
    So, you're aware of this. That makes your claim a lie and not just ignorance.

    Giving the oppressed a head start and telling them they aren't capable of winning without it is the opposite of giving them bootstraps.
    You fail to comprehend. They are capable, as evidenced by their success despite oppression and poverty.

    Tying everyone else to the floor and saying "see, you can go as high as everyone else (with our help)" serves society in no way whatsoever.
    So, when a black needs to go to a different store, it's too bad for them; however, when a white needs to go to a different school it's injustice. What hypocrisy.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    *sigh*. So in YOUR world, Madison wrote it as he thought he should, and there were no changes to what he wrote, no suggestions he accepted, no complaints or protests as to what he wrote...and no vote on the negotiated final document.

    Riiiiiiiiight.
    do you believe the constitution does not recognize the right to property?...yes or no?

    lets start at the beginning.

    Declaration of Independence.....

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...HAPPINESS is property

    Bill of Rights......

    5th-nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property

    14th amendment

    nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    do you still believe there is no right to property?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm not seeing this written in stone any where? Is this on a Koch Brother site or something
    A man doesn't invent something wonderful to raise the living standards of all people, but because he finds it in his interest to pursue it and share it with the world for his own personal benefit both mentally and financially. The same applies to any kind of transaction. A man doesn't involve himself in trade because he wants to better the life and condition of someone else, but because he wants to better his own life and his own condition and finds it in his interest to involve himself in trade to do so.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    My benefit to drink a bottle of water is no different than the man you rung up before me or after me.
    Both parties in the transaction are in the transaction for their own benefit and more than likely care very little about the benefit of the other party. Both parties are going to be trying to get the most for themselves while trying to give up the least in return and it is in the best interest of both parties to push their interests to their fullest of their abilities. If one of the parties determines he doesn't benefit from it or simply does not desire to trade with someone then the transaction has no footing to take place.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A man doesn't invent something wonderful to raise the living standards of all people, but because he finds it in his interest to pursue it and share it with the world for his own personal benefit both mentally and financially. The same applies to any kind of transaction. A man doesn't involve himself in trade because he wants to better the life and condition of someone else, but because he wants to better his own life and his own condition and finds it in his interest to involve himself in trade to do so.
    Oh, right, I see. You didn't go into business to sell your (general you) products for a profit, but to feel good about yourself denying me that bottle of water because of my attributes. Thanks for explaining. It gives the motto the pursuit of happiness new meaning

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So do you feel you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?
    Orwell would have LOVED you!

    Why? Because you've turned "No, you can't refuse a person's business just because of how he was born" to "VIOLATING THE BODY OR PROPERTY OF YOUR FELLOW MAN!!!!!!!"

    How terrrrrrrrible, how utterly tyrannical it must be to FORCE someone to make money by dealing with people guilty of nothing more than being born the wrong color!

    Guy, you truly have my pity.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Both parties in the transaction are in the transaction for their own benefit and more than likely care very little about the benefit of the other party. Both parties are going to be trying to get the most for themselves while trying to give up the least in return and it is in the best interest of both parties to push their interests to their fullest of their abilities. If one of the parties determines he doesn't benefit from it or simply does not desire to trade with someone then the transaction has no footing to take place.
    I'm not talking about horse trading. I'm talking about doing a normal business transaction.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i and the others agree, however , you cant take away people rights, because racist exist by non service, ..it must be thru a criminal act.

    discrimination is not a criminal act.
    "discrimination is not a criminal act"

    Yep - he's from the Right!

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