View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is just plain extreme thinking.
    oh, what did the CO judge say to the bakery........"Bake the cake"

    if the bakery refused, they would have paid fines and been put of out business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You must see though that if peace is acceptance that the only way to obtain it is to practice a system where sovereignty of the individual is absolute. Otherwise, once it is limited there will undoubtedly arise a lack of acceptance. You can not have a system depending on modern liberal ideology and have one of peace. It will never happen. A system built on coercion and slavery is not one of peace, but a system of war and conflict.
    This is probably true for you. Other people have a different point of view, which is my point. Peace means different things to different people, sometimes your system is compatible and sometimes it isn't. People accept what they can and change what they can't. And if your system doesn't provide for happiness for someone, they will seek alternative means, there is no changing that. If enough people seek alternative means, the alternative becomes the norm. However, true peace will never be achieved under any system (because no system is perfect as the definition of perfection is relative from one person to another). Not your preferences, not mine, nobodies. Utopia is a pipe dream.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Being forced to work is all that is required for it be involuntary servitude. This could be direct by checking the person out yourself or indirect by being forced to giving up your property under conditions you do not agree to for someone else's benefit.
    My benefit to drink a bottle of water is no different than the man you rung up before me or after me.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's not bondage to conduct business even if you dislike what you do. Simply quit if you dislike serving the public. Business is conducted in order to make a transaction, that was my point.
    An individual opens a business to meet their own desires and serve themselves. They do this by providing goods and services to people they consent to commence in commerce with. If they find it in their interest to commence in commerce with some people or all people is up to them and how they personally feel.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    All of this might have been true 7 decades ago. While racism may still exist, its not near as rampant as many would like to believe or espouse.
    "racism may still exist".

    I think that phrase shows it all - "racism MAY still exist".

    That, sir, is the problem.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, what did the CO judge say to the bakery........"Bake the cake"

    if the bakery refused, they would have paid fines and been put of out business.
    Yeah, that is a great example of bondage

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well glen, here is why your wrong...

    Madison was asked to write the bill of rights

    he did it on his own not among other people, he likes to jot things down making notes to myself.

    on a small piece of paper he writes the bill of rights, and one thing Madison writes in his 8th amendment is life liberty and property, Madison understands the right to property, without it.....we as a people have no liberty.

    so the constitution recognizes the right to property.....even the 14th amendment does later on.

    Madison goes on to write about the right of property, and he states clearly.......


    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.



    so you see glen, without the right of property, liberty would not exist, because everything about a human being is property...the body... the labor, and the objects we obtain from that labor, a persons own words and ideas and how that person runs a profession.
    *sigh*. So in YOUR world, Madison wrote it as he thought he should, and there were no changes to what he wrote, no suggestions he accepted, no complaints or protests as to what he wrote...and no vote on the negotiated final document.

    Riiiiiiiiight.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    An individual opens a business to meet their own desires and serve themselves. They do this by providing goods and services to people they consent to commence in commerce with. If they find it in their interest to commence in commerce with some people or all people is up to them and how they personally feel.
    I'm not seeing this written in stone any where? Is this on a Koch Brother site or something

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "racism may still exist".

    I think that phrase shows it all - "racism MAY still exist".

    That, sir, is the problem.
    i and the others agree, however , you cant take away people rights, because racist exist by non service, ..it must be thru a criminal act.

    discrimination is not a criminal act.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    First, there are not lower standards; everyone must meet the minimal standards for acceptance.
    Actually, telling someone they don't have to compete at the same level everyone else does is a lower standard. What you want is for minimum standard to be the standard, which is bad for society on every level.

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    Second, diversity improves the university's product.
    Lowered standards do not improve the university's product. They destroy it.

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    Third, giving the oppressed bootstraps with which to pull themselves out of poverty is the American way; this serves society.
    Giving the oppressed a head start and telling them they aren't capable of winning without it is the opposite of giving them bootstraps. Tying everyone else to the floor and saying "see, you can go as high as everyone else (with our help)" serves society in no way whatsoever.

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