View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

Voters
115. You may not vote on this poll
  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
  • Freedom From Discrimination

    77 66.96%
Page 110 of 230 FirstFirst ... 1060100108109110111112120160210 ... LastLast
Results 1,091 to 1,100 of 2291

Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

  1. #1091
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Then you become my slave by serving me in your restaurant and I pay you for that service? That seems pretty far fetched to a reasonable person.
    Being forced to work is all that is required for it be involuntary servitude. This could be direct by checking the person out yourself or indirect by being forced to giving up your property under conditions you do not agree to for someone else's benefit.

  2. #1092
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    There's a difference between writing what you WANT to write...and writing what is AGREED UPON by a great many men...and there were more than a few shouting matches at the Constitutional Convention over what should be in the Constitution.
    well glen, here is why your wrong...

    Madison was asked to write the bill of rights

    he did it on his own not among other people, he likes to jot things down making notes to myself.

    on a small piece of paper he writes the bill of rights, and one thing Madison writes in his 8th amendment is life liberty and property, Madison understands the right to property, without it.....we as a people have no liberty.

    so the constitution recognizes the right to property.....even the 14th amendment does later on.

    Madison goes on to write about the right of property, and he states clearly.......


    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.



    so you see glen, without the right of property, liberty would not exist, because everything about a human being is property...the body... the labor, and the objects we obtain from that labor, a persons own words and ideas and how that person runs a profession.
    Last edited by Master PO; 04-24-14 at 05:32 PM.

  3. #1093
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I disagree with that. Peace is acceptance. Its an individual decision and not a result of a way of life. Besides, it won't happen anyway, too many differing priorities. If society swings too much in any direct, some group is going to be upset and try to change it to their preferred way. That's just the way it is. If the more libertarian types get their way, then the more typical types are going to fight back as a result. There are specific subtypes that prefer a more libertarian style of things, but that priority is only one of many.
    You must see though that if peace is acceptance that the only way to obtain it is to practice a system where sovereignty of the individual is absolute. Otherwise, once it is limited there will undoubtedly arise a lack of acceptance. You can not have a system depending on modern liberal ideology and have one of peace. It will never happen. A system built on coercion and slavery is not one of peace, but a system of war and conflict.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-24-14 at 05:31 PM.

  4. #1094
    Sage
    Glen Contrarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Bernie to the left of me, Hillary to the right, here I am...
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    15,498

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I totally agree that people can endanger others through their words or actions. However, you're comparing apples to oranges. Not trading with someone doesn't endanger them in any way, shape, or form.
    It does when refusal to do so leads to riots. When I refer to black sitting at a "whites-only" counter, that wasn't a government counter - it was a business "open to the public". Do you really, truly think that exact scenario wouldn't play out again? How long do you think it would take before that business was vandalized or worse? Hours, maybe? And then there's likely to be some gun nut in there who decides he's under attack and he kills one or more of the vandals.

    How long before the riots begin?

    This isn't a "nightmare scenario", guy - this is PRECISELY what would happen.

    How many people would have to die, how many businesses would wind up vandalized or firebombed, how many lives would have to be broken before you realized that maybe, just maybe "a right to discriminate" is NOT a path to a peaceful, prosperous society?
    To do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what hes doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

    "...with the terrorists, you have to take out their families." - Donald Trump

  5. #1095
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Then you become my slave by serving me in your restaurant and I pay you for that service? That seems pretty far fetched to a reasonable person.
    involuntary servitude, still exist even if payment is rendered.

  6. #1096
    Sage
    rabbitcaebannog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 08:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,918

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, business is a service. A transaction is when money changes hands.

    Bold: Seriously? We're talking about human beings here. There is not one single person alive that has no emotions. Not one single action is taken without emotions.
    It's not bondage to conduct business even if you dislike what you do. Simply quit if you dislike serving the public. Business is conducted in order to make a transaction, that was my point.

    As to your second point, I agree. If we gave humans free reign to conduct business based on emotions, you would have a vile mess on your hands. We had that pre-civil right's laws.

  7. #1097
    Sage
    rabbitcaebannog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 08:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,918

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    involuntary servitude, still exist even if payment is rendered.
    Yeah, like in the sex trade industry. Um, not the same as ringing up a burger.

  8. #1098
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, like sex trade industry. Um, not the same as ringing up a burger.
    you seem to being going off on a lark...i dont know why.

  9. #1099
    Sage
    rabbitcaebannog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 08:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,918

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    everything i said is true, that is how the current way of government force works.
    That is just plain extreme thinking.

  10. #1100
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    01-27-15 @ 11:37 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,247

    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It does when refusal to do so leads to riots. When I refer to black sitting at a "whites-only" counter, that wasn't a government counter - it was a business "open to the public". Do you really, truly think that exact scenario wouldn't play out again? How long do you think it would take before that business was vandalized or worse? Hours, maybe? And then there's likely to be some gun nut in there who decides he's under attack and he kills one or more of the vandals.

    How long before the riots begin?

    This isn't a "nightmare scenario", guy - this is PRECISELY what would happen.

    How many people would have to die, how many businesses would wind up vandalized or firebombed, how many lives would have to be broken before you realized that maybe, just maybe "a right to discriminate" is NOT a path to a peaceful, prosperous society?
    So do you feel you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •