View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Freedom from discrimination is more important. There is no right to discriminate.
    No right to pick sex partners then? Strange.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A law requiring anyone be served is nonsense as well.
    You're welcome to private instead of public business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    It doesn't matter. Within a generation we'll be too worried about having something to eat today to worry about discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I never said that should be the law, did I? The law SHOULD read that people can't be denied on basis of race/ethnicity/religion/sexual gender.
    The law does exist for the first 3 mentioned.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're welcome to private instead of public business.
    Yeah, I'm not really into being required to accept people under the terms of the government. Thanks for allowing any choice at all though.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, I'm not really into being required to accept people under the terms of the government. Thanks for allowing any choice at all though.
    You're welcome.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    That's the rub. If it happens many times, then it becomes easier to prove from witness accounts. Or it could come from internal whistleblowers. But the law cannot be designed to bypass due process.
    That wouldn't be proof.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Does that mean you can't name me a right that isn't dependent on the right to discrimination?
    I'm not going to get into that game with you, because I can read you easily enough to know that you're simply going to twist words and concepts. You're not really interested in right and the wrong in the altruistic sense - you're only interested in winning the argument.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How do you know it was because they were black?

    Even if you are correct however, you are forcing someone to act against their own beliefs. No One has to right to tell others what to believe or to limit their actions based upon their beliefs.

    What we really want is for the people to act as individuals, cause the business to go under without the need to involve the government.
    The problem with that concept is, it doesn't work. It simply. does. not. work.

    Why? Business A says "no blacks"...so no blacks (and a significant amount of whites) don't go in there...but enough whites who are either racist or somehow want to defend their brand of libertarianism go in there to keep it afloat. This WOULD happen in the Deep South, because there's more than enough white racists (like those in my own family) who would keep that business afloat.

    So racist Business A stays afloat. The blacks get ticked off and open racist Business B that says "no whites". All of a sudden more whites go to whites-only...and more blacks go to blacks-only...and it spirals downhill from there. And we're back to a capitalistic form of Jim Crow.

    Not only that, but black person C decides he's going to refuse to leave racist Business A...and so racist Business A calls the cops who wind up forcibly removing black person C...and all of a sudden we have not only government-ENFORCED racism, but race riots just like those we had in the 1960's...except for now the blacks have a LOT more guns than they did then.

    Is that really, truly where you want to go? You can dream all day about how you think it OUGHTA be...but there's a big difference between the way things oughta be...and the way things would be.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That ignores some important variables. My business is doing home repairs/improvements and thus I work (often alone) at the customer's location. I deserve to have the right to refuse to work in unsafe areas regardless of any accusations of racism - if my tools are stolen then my income earning potential disappears.
    So long as you don't refuse to work for a colored (any color other than white Caucasian) person in an area where you would work for a white, and visa versa, ... refuse to work for a white in the same area you feel is unsafe and predominantly colored.... so long as that is true, you're not discriminating based on race. The same would hold true for any protected class of people.
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