View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ideological absolutism is pathetic.
    Absolutely!

    Seriously, though, most of the great slaughters in human history can be traced directly to ideological absolutism.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The Federalist Papers are not the Constitution.
    no.. but it is written by the man who laid the foundation of the constitution, MONTHS before the convention.

    it is written by the man who wrote the bill of rights.

    it is written by the man, who got to the convention before anyone else, put more into the constitution then anyone else, took the notes of the convention, worked on the committee of style and put the constitution together, stayed after the convention was over to work on it, wrote the federalist papers, wrote more works on the constitution.

    i would say that makes him an authority on the constitution!

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Pathetic? I don't think that is the right term. But I just pointed out, that you are confronted here with something quite deifferent.
    You're just being an absolutist as a result of limited capacity for analysis and understanding. You admitted such.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no.. but it is written by the man who laid the foundation of the constitution, MONTHS before the convention.

    it is written by the man who wrote the bill of rights.

    it is written by the man, who got to the convention before anyone else, put more into the constitution then anyone else, took the notes of the convention, worked on the committee of style and put the constitution together, stayed after the convention was over to work on it, wrote the federalist papers, wrote more works on the constitution.

    i would say that makes him an authority on the constitution!
    Um, I hate to tell you this...but even though he did write the Constitution, he did NOT write what he felt was right, but instead, he had to write what was AGREED UPON by those who voted in the majority in the Constitutional Convention. I hope you understand the difference.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I partially agree. A sense of achievement and ability to take life by the horns is very motivating. I agree with that.

    The rest of your statement, I agree that someone must take responsibility (whether that responsibility is deserved or not, often its just life being crappy for no specific reason and morally, responsibility should not have to be taken as there is no fault, but this is another discussion) to gain the ability to say "I will fix that" and then do the actions necessary to resolve an issue. But I disagree that this is a default or a should, it is based on whether an issue is a big enough problem that someone thinks they should address it and there aren't other alternatives available. It's just a mindset necessary to solve a problem sometimes.
    I don't think people can truly be at peace until they are truly free and by extension the society can not truly be at peace until all people are truly free. This cannot be done under a system that relies on government or relies on community or promotes collectivism, but only under one that promotes individuality and voluntary exchange that allows individuals to practice their sovereignty at a cost they decide on. If however, you allow society or government to be the tool that decides the cost people are willing to pay for their lives then people will combat amongst themselves and the society itself will be in a constant state of war due to the individual desire for personal liberty being undermined by hostile forces. This will not only make individuals that wish to maintain their just liberty fight, but people that wish to use the government or society to gain more liberty than they are justly permitted to fight, and thus, as society moves forward conflict and war will only grow until the society itself crumbles at its feet.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You're not working for me. You're conducting a transaction with me.
    If you force me into a transaction then I'm forced to provide my labor for your benefit. That is involuntary servitude.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You're not working for me. You're conducting a transaction with me.
    i am not?.....so if you enter my hamburger shop, and order a burger, and i say...no, i am not serving you... of coarse you cannot force me by physical means, however you use the power of government to force me by coercion.

    the government tells me, make that burger for her.......or we will put you out of business.....what do i do?, serve you a hamburger, or get forced out of business by the government....which is government coercion, and unlawful, because i have not committed a crime, which would be the only way that situation you have there for government coercion.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're just being an absolutist as a result of limited capacity for analysis and understanding. You admitted such.
    I will admit that Kant has something absolutist in the requirement for rationality. I don't think it would be correct to associate the categorical imperative with limited analytical capacity, however.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, I hate to tell you this...but even though he did write the Constitution, he did NOT write what he felt was right, but instead, he had to write what was AGREED UPON by those who voted in the majority in the Constitutional Convention. I hope you understand the difference.
    that makes no sense....what did he not write?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I've wondered for a while - that "caebannog" - is that Gaelic?
    It's a skit by Monty Python. I had to cut the 'r' off because your username can only have 15 letters.

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