View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong...that is incorrect, the Constitution states the power to regulate..AMONG the states.....not inside them.
    Um, I don't know if you realize this...but even at the time of the Founding Fathers, ALL interstate commerce took place INSIDE states. Why? Because the deals were made inside one state, and they were completed in other states. It's not as if the federal government set up "regulation booths" on all the roads and trails to 'regulate' that interstate commerce.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i dont have to , here is the Constitution itself...


    article 4 section 4



    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
    Cherry-picking, are we?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the 13th says involuntary servitude, that is not the same as being a slave, its not chattel slavery.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your difficulty with analysis and understanding pushes you to absolutism? That's sad.
    I don't know I would call applied Kant absolutist.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Lets see 80-85% or blacks normally vote liberal or further left, making the traitors.

    During the Obama elections, an additional 5-10%+ showed themselves to racist also.

    Hmm, race war that rids America of so many racist traitors. Sure, I could live with out them.
    And for those who really wonder why much of America is seeing conservatives and Republicans in general - and Tea Partiers and libertarians in particular - as either racist or (in MLK's words) "giving aid and comfort to racists"...the above post is all they need to see.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, I don't know if you realize this...but even at the time of the Founding Fathers, ALL interstate commerce took place INSIDE states. Why? Because the deals were made inside one state, and they were completed in other states. It's not as if the federal government set up "regulation booths" on all the roads and trails to 'regulate' that interstate commerce.

    if you read the founders, and why commerce was turned over to the federal government, you will see i am correct!

    i know reading the founders and constitutional convention notes, is dry read, however it the only way to find truth.

    the states give over power to the federal government which are national powers, not internal powers.

    federalist 45-The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I don't know I would call applied Kant absolutist.
    Ideological absolutism is pathetic.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you read the founders, and why commerce was turned over to the federal government, you will see i am correct!

    i know reading the founders and constitutional convention notes, is dry read, however it the only way to find truth.

    the states give over power to the federal government which are national powers, not internal powers.

    federalist 45-The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order[, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
    The Federalist Papers are not the Constitution.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ideological absolutism is pathetic.
    Pathetic? I don't think that is the right term. But I just pointed out, that you are confronted here with something quite deifferent.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You're not working for me. You're conducting a transaction with me.
    I've wondered for a while - that "caebannog" - is that Gaelic?
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