View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, your not a servant your a businessman. You are not there to serve me but to conduct business.
    'excuse", but how do you get around the 13th amendment ,....when i mention it to you?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Nope. I opposed segregated government services. The government must treat all people equally.

    Regarding your comment on ethics, do you feel that you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?
    Guy, it does. not. matter. what YOUR ethical beliefs are. The worst mistake people make is, "well, everything would be better if"...and then they go using whatever rhetoric to back up what they think is eminently logical.

    Problem is, there IS such a thing as "too much freedom". Yes, now that your head has stopped exploding, there IS such a thing as "too much freedom". You can't go shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't say the word "bomb" when you're about to go on a plane, and you can't say "My restaurant won't serve you because you're black"...because in all three examples, Very Bad Things happen when you do.

    You can have your "right to discriminate" and the Very Bad Things (like riots, lynchings, etc.) that would go along with it...or you can have your "freedom from discrimination" and the relative peaceful society that comes with it. But you CANNOT have both.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you cant make a federal law, which takes away a right.....or do you think government can take away rights whenever they wish to.
    Law is about balancing rights against each other. That's where the saying "your rights end where mine begin" comes from.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    almost impossible
    No, not 'almost impossible'. Difficult, yes...but all it takes is one determined person to make it happen.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    'excuse", but how do you get around the 13th amendment ,....when i mention it to you?
    If a business person views himself as a slave than he has has a persecution issue.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I can distinguish between what I find a just opinion and a just expression thereof and what I find disturbing. I can distinguish between what i think is wrong or right. But no. In an objective sense within a relatively broad band, I do not think that we are capable of distinguishing objectively. So if someone is to be allowed to make the decision? Otherwise I don't think I want people or, God forbid, the government holding such power.
    Your difficulty with analysis and understanding pushes you to absolutism? That's sad.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I guess the fact doesn't matter that I was raised there, that I was one of them, and that I know them better than most who didn't grow up there.

    I guess EXPERIENCE doesn't count as 'proof'.

    And btw, I never said that ONLY the whites in the South are prejudiced - try to find someplace that I've said that! You can't. But you CAN find many times that I've said that there's prejudice to be found in every culture, every nation on the planet...and that in almost every case in history all the way to the modern day, the racism by the more powerful race/ethnicity/religion will be worse, more egregious than that of the weaker race/ethnicity/religion.

    Concerning the businesses, when in your eyes someone does something bad to you, what do you want to do? It's only human to want to do something bad in return. That's the same dynamic of vengeance that plays out on scales grand and small. And that's what business B would be doing (at which point "right" and "wrong" are of no consequence), and then there would be more A's as a result, then more B's...

    And like I said - at that point, "right" and "wrong" no longer matters. All that would matter is sticking with one's race. Is that really the kind of America that you want to see?
    Lets see 80-85% or blacks normally vote liberal or further left, making the traitors.

    During the Obama elections, an additional 5-10%+ showed themselves to racist also.

    Hmm, race war that rids America of so many racist traitors. Sure, I could live with out them.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    If a business person views himself as a slave than he has has a persecution issue.
    the 13th says involuntary servitude, that is not the same as being a slave, its not chattel slavery.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    But if the state is forced to enforce a business' "right" to refuse service to those of a different color/ethnicity/religion, then it becomes state-enforced.

    Look, my whole point is that while YES, we can refuse to do business with someone if, say, that person can't pay, or if that person's naked, or if that person's a felon, or if that person's unable to reasonably decide for himself or herself...

    ...but it's flat wrong (and VERY destructive to society as a whole) to be able to refuse to do business with someone on the basis of how they were born.
    It certainly is destructive and bad for people to have bad manners and prejudice. I also understand the hurt it causes. I also think that in the 1960s it was necessary for the government to act. But large areas and segments of the population sick in those days and it required a number of remedial measures. Now, I would have thought the society is healthy enough in that respect to allow idiots to say and do idiotic things. It is necessary, all the more important, however, that everyone speaks out against xenophobic nut cases.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    sorryy l misread it and missed the " business"and thought it was the black customer who had to call the cops.
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