View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    It's not legal rhetoric. It's simple ethics.

    Nobody has the right to violate the body or property of his neighbor to coerce him to do business against his will. It's unjust. One cannot achieve justice by acting unjustly.

    That's why, despite the fact that I abhor discrimination, I can't justify choosing to initiate aggression in order to prevent it. The initiation of aggression is not the answer. I would choose another way.
    One person's ethics are another person's insanity. Again, you're hiding behind the exact same kind of Orwellian double-speak rhetoric that segregationists used: "See? They're completely equal to us because we both have our own schools and entrances and water fountains!" Never mind that EVERYONE could see that the schools and entrances and water fountains that the blacks were allowed to use were always in crappy condition.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is what happens when people think they create rights, and can give or abolish them, whenever they choose...........ohhhhhhh! the evils of democratic forms of government
    Why am I not surprised you're on the Right?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If the guy makes a racist statement to several of them...OR if they can document (on paper or on video) that he is serving only whites and refuses service to blacks.
    IOW, it's almost impossible to prove and virtually unenforcable, unless you require everyone to accommodate everyone.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The CRA-1964 is Constitutional.
    only part of it, the part which prohibits government from discrimination.

    you cant make a federal law, which takes away a right.....or do you think government can take away rights whenever they wish to.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And the blacks would walk in and demand service, the business owner would call the cops and they would be forced to enforce the law by physically removing the blacks...and reporters would be getting the whole thing on tape and it would be viewed around the world literally in less than a minute.

    And what would happen then? I think you know. How many innocent people would die in the ensuing riots? And is that really where you want America to go?
    I don't see it playing out the way you do. I honestly couldn't even imagine a business opting to exclude anyone based on anything. They could never get away with it in this day and age. The press they got would drive them out of business. It would be like being exposed as using the N word times ten thousand. Public outcry would be over the top (as it ought to be)

    You're not going to convince me that acting in a way that I basically consider criminal (initiating aggression against my fellow man) is the only possible solution to racial discrimination. I won't support it, and I urge others, if they value justice, to not support it either.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Why am I not surprised you're on the Right?
    i am on the side of the constitution, i will blast anyone on the right, which goes against constitutional law!

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    those laws are passed by governments, and that's illegal,governments cannot discriminate by constitutional law.

    constitutional law does not apply to the people ,it applies to government only, ....no federal law, or state law is above the rights of a citizen.

    the bill of rights restricts the federal government and states from taking any action which violates.... right to property
    Soooo...what nation today or in the past had what you feel to be the right kind of government?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    IOW, it's almost impossible to prove and virtually unenforcable, unless you require everyone to accommodate everyone.
    No, it's not impossible to prove...it simply takes time and effort...and the wheels of justice grind slowly, but exceeding fine.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well stop making demands on me.....you have no right.
    I'm not making an unjustly demand. You're open for business. I'm acting respectful and will pay what you want for your product. Why can't I buy it? The man in front of me did and so did the man behind me. Please explain.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    One person's ethics are another person's insanity. Again, you're hiding behind the exact same kind of Orwellian double-speak rhetoric that segregationists used: "See? They're completely equal to us because we both have our own schools and entrances and water fountains!" Never mind that EVERYONE could see that the schools and entrances and water fountains that the blacks were allowed to use were always in crappy condition.
    Nope. I opposed segregated government services. The government must treat all people equally.

    Regarding your comment on ethics, do you feel that you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?

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