View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it means they are defending the owners right to control who can enter his property and sits at his counters.
    I doubt you have heard about the Greensboro sit-ins?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If I can decide what is allowed and not, you might be able to sway me.
    So you are incapable of discerning just from unjust discrimination? It's amazing you can function.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Seriously...how often do your friends look at you and say "WTF are you talking about?"
    Apparently, you jumped into the middle of a conversation with no clue what was being discussed. Better luck next time.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    We do have restrictions on how we conduct ourselves. They are properly based around whether our actions cause (or have the potential to cause) injury to others. Real, verifiable injury.



    No. People do not most often have legal recourse when someone does them wrong. That is a fact of life. There was no legal recourse for Elizabeth Edwards because her husband was a complete dick. There's no law against being a dick, and there shouldn't be. Everyone has a different standard for what would constitute "being a dick". I don't have a right to enforce my standard of dickish behavior on John Edwards (even if I think society would be infinitely better off with people like him hanging by their toenails instead of running for president). Maybe you want the type of society where law and punishment is based on people's thoughts and intentions. Personally I don't believe it would be anything other than utterly oppressive.
    I never said there should be a law for being a dick. What I said is she could hire an attorney for recourse. Many people do in cases of divorce and cheating. I also never said anything about having a law for thoughts and intentions. What I've made clear is having civil right laws on the books, where businesses conduct transactions without discrimination is anything but oppressive. It's perfectly logical.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That discrimination is just because it provides real value to the university and society. Do you believe "black free shopping" provides real value to society? Let's start differentiating between just and unjust discrimination.
    How is it better for society to lower standards based on race? How is it even better for that race?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I doubt you have heard about the Greensboro sit-ins?
    I'm pretty sure anyone that goes to public school knows about them. I fail to see how those individuals weren't trespassing on private property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I can't justify initiating aggression against a person to coerce him to do business with someone against his choice. I don't think I have a right to do that.
    Here's the problem: If business A can tell blacks "I refuse to serve you because you're black", what will happen? Just like in the Civil Rights struggle, the blacks WILL sit at the counter (with reporters recording the whole thing) demanding to be served. The cops will be called by the business, and the cops will be forced to enforce the law and physically remove the blacks...

    ...at which time we have government-enforced racism.

    Not only that, but some whites-only businesses will succeed, particularly Down South. Once those succeed, some blacks will get ticked off (and rightly so), and so they will retaliate by opening blacks-only businesses...at which point the racist whites will feel justified by saying, "See - it was those racist blacks all along!" And more whites-only businesses will open and succeed, and so will more blacks-only businesses...

    ...and the whole vicious circle spirals downhill to a market-enforced Jim Crow era.

    You might think it's not right to force someone to do business with someone else based on race...but first think carefully as the effect that libertarian view would have on our society as a whole. Is that really the kind of America you want to see?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is my view that the sovereignty of every individual must at all times be held inviolable. Every one should be free to dispose of his person, his time, and his property as he pleases at alway their own cost.

    That is very reasonable, imho. Please though, explain to me how it is unreasonable.
    It puts people out of their natural settings. Humans are social creatures and the urge to build societies in a manner we have seen historically is a part of us. If you take that away, people are less and will seek to fulfill their urges in more volatile ways.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it means they are defending the owners right to control who can enter his property and sits at his counters.
    So the Jim Crow era is just fine to you?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    How is it better for society to lower standards based on race? How is it even better for that race?
    First, there are not lower standards; everyone must meet the minimal standards for acceptance. Second, diversity improves the university's product. Third, giving the oppressed bootstraps with which to pull themselves out of poverty is the American way; this serves society.

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