View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I already made clear I wasn't referring to government discrimination.
    I hope you understand that Jim Crow and other forms of government discrimination weren't separate from, and were in fact paired with, government backing of private discrimination against blacks. They were equal and necessary parts of the same effort to marginalize African-Americans and effectively render them second-class citizens. By allowing private businesses to discriminate against blacks, Jews, the disabled, etc. the government de facto makes those minorities second-class citizens and supports their oppression.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Then the question of having to engage in commerce is irrelevant.
    Your slippery slope argument is irrelevant.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Your slippery slope argument is irrelevant.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Then the question of having to engage in commerce is irrelevant.
    The law is such that a business open to the public must, in fact, be open to the public and unjust discrimination is not permitted. Discrimination with cause is permitted. Race does not constitute cause.

    A law requiring everyone be served, regardless of circumstance, is nonsense.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    How do you know it was because they were black?

    Even if you are correct however, you are forcing someone to act against their own beliefs. No One has to right to tell others what to believe or to limit their actions based upon their beliefs.

    What we really want is for the people to act as individuals, cause the business to go under without the need to involve the government.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How do you know it was because they were black?

    Even if you are correct however, you are forcing someone to act against their own beliefs. No One has to right to tell others what to believe or to limit their actions based upon their beliefs.

    What we really want is for the people to act as individuals, cause the business to go under without the need to involve the government.
    The recent court case in New Mexico said otherwise. They said the photographers who refused to photograph a lesbian wedding because of their religious beliefs were wrong. Unfortunately, people's rights to act on their own beliefs isn't really a right.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Freedom from discrimination is more important. There is no right to discriminate.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If a law is in place that says you have to engage in business with everyone then the law would be applied to her.
    I never said that should be the law, did I? The law SHOULD read that people can't be denied on basis of race/ethnicity/religion/sexual gender.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    What if a restaurant or motel refused to accommodate a customer purely because of their race? Aside from a confession, how could you prove that it was racially motivated?
    That's the rub. If it happens many times, then it becomes easier to prove from witness accounts. Or it could come from internal whistleblowers. But the law cannot be designed to bypass due process.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The law is such that a business open to the public must, in fact, be open to the public and unjust discrimination is not permitted. Discrimination with cause is permitted. Race does not constitute cause.

    A law requiring everyone be served, regardless of circumstance, is nonsense.
    A law requiring anyone be served is nonsense as well.

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