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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    I sometimes ask myself this, and it seems so contrary to how things ought to be that I tend to dismiss it.

    The question usually occurs when I encounter some event/story which highlights the potential and/or actual conflict of interest when employees or (in the case of public employee unions) groups of employees can elect their employers.


    So I decided to put the question to you all: Should public employees be allowed to vote, and what rational supports your position?
    of course. so should people on welfare, SS, or those who are employed by corporations.

    the truth is that we ALL reap benefits from being members of a society. some of us bitch about economic inequality. some of us bitch about paying the bill. but we all get a vote, as it should be.

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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Yes because public employees are servants. Servants don't make demands. Servants serve. It's disgusting that government employees vote. They should be shot and hung (yes, both) for committing such a high crime.



    Then it's fine. The ultimate authority is 'we the people'. The people are the boss. It is completely appropriate that they have a say in government.
    So politicians can jump in bed with corporations and sell political favors but voting is disgusting treason? Our politics are dirty because of the former, not because they exercised their constitutional right to vote.
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    So if we can't use limits on who can vote to limit the harm groups cause by bending democracy to their whims, what recourse do we have?
    Maybe we should focus first on getting corporations and their money out of our politics. People using their constitutional rights is not a threat to democracy but corporations buying politicians like cigarettes sure as **** is.
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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That sounds exactly like everyone else voting for a candidate that represents their interests.



    Clearly people who live in states that receive more tax money than they pay shouldn't vote either. That's the same conflict of interest. That makes sense, right?

    These sorts of issues are almost always Republicans looking for ways to stop Democrats from voting.



    Of course they do. The fewer people who are living in desperate poverty, the better the nation. The more educated the population as a whole, the better the nation. The healthier the population as a whole, the better the nation. Seriously, this is not hard.



    The constitution disagrees with you. And how exactly do you justify preventing students and the elderly from voting? Or freelance workers who work for themselves? They're not employed, and one need only declare themselves in business to be in business as a sole proprietor. So, you're disallowing a lot of people from voting and allowing businesses to become gatekeepers of voting. That's actually kind of fascist, and not in line with American ideals at all. The poorest among us need the most representation, not the least.



    Spot on!



    Utter nonsense. Everyone has the right to associate and form an organization to protect their interests.



    Outvoting them.



    The constitution often makes explicit references to the right to vote.
    1. It doesn't matter what the constitution says. I'm discussing the merits of allowing everyone to vote, not the legality of it.

    2. Your objections about small business owners are noted and valid, but those are merely details to be ironed out. Anyone who owns a business that employs at least 1 person should be able to register to vote.

    3. I never said the elderly should be excluded from voting. Students, if they're under the age of 30, don't have enough life experience to make informed decisions - a requirement since the decisions made in a democracy affect us all.

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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We assume that voting is a right, but on what grounds do we make that assumption?

    I'd like to challenge that paradigm a little. Voting rights for all either supposes that all are capable of making equally sound decisions, which is false, or it prioritizes the impact of the results of a given vote to a lesser extent than it prioritizes the simple ideal of allowing everyone to vote, which is foolhardy and poor management.

    Either way, I don't see the net benefit to society at large.
    WOW!

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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    I can see the point of having universal voting - without it, arguments could be made for eliminating the right to vote for one group or another...and WOULD be made, I don't doubt. We humans are flighty mfers.
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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    No. Government employees are servants not the boss. It is perverted when they start acting like the boss.

    When I was in the Marine Corps I never voted. That is the truth.

    In my county we have 1,200 county employees. The highest vote getter in the Republican Primary got less than 5,000 votes. I bet you that all 1,200 of those county employees are Republicans. Does anybody see how this can be a huge problem?
    Not a thing you said make a bit of sense. When you were in the Marines, you CHOSE not to vote; you weren't prevented. And how do know the political lean of those 1200 county employees? You don't, and that's a fact.
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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Yes because public employees are servants. Servants don't make demands. Servants serve. It's disgusting that government employees vote. They should be shot and hung (yes, both) for committing such a high crime.



    Then it's fine. The ultimate authority is 'we the people'. The people are the boss. It is completely appropriate that they have a say in government.
    You've lost it, what country are you from?
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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    It never ceases to amuse me that republicons are constantly searching for a reason to keep Americans from voting.
    BTW ...you do understand that Public Servant does not mean the same as slave servant ...don't you?
    You and your cohort "likers" couldn't be further from the truth. Just because V puts out crazy ****, doesn't speak for the rest of us.
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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    WTF? What about the CEOs of big business who receive government subsides ...or farmers who get the same... What about politicians and their families? Or military personnel?
    Should they all be banned from the polls as well?
    Maybe they believe poll workers too? just sayin'.....

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    Re: Should public employees be allowed to vote?

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    WOW!
    I said whaaaaaa???

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