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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    As long as they're including the commercials in the rebroadcast, I don't see how it's costing the networks any money, so Aereo should be allowed to continue doing it for free.
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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Thirty years later, and they're still trying to sue the VCR.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Regardless, the advertiser is getting more eyes than it would if it weren't being offered by Aereo or other similar, so they are getting more for their buck. As for the networks, they've already been paid. I think what it might be, the more complex aspect, is that cable providers pay a rebroadcast fee, if Aereo doesn't have to, then cable/satellite providers will demand equal treatment and that could be a set back, though I never understood why cable companies should have had to pay those fees. Again, if the ads are intact, it should be able to be broadcast, rebroadcast, and rebroadcast again because originally it was free to anyone with an antenna that could receive it.
    Cable providers put their commercials over the broadcast commercials, so how can the original content provider make any money?

    I am not sure how it Works with this company but I doubt the commercials are being broadcast along with the content.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    There are two two likely subscriber models for Aero:

    1. Someone that lives in a "Dead Zone" caused by buildings or lives in a valley where the signal is blocked.

    2. The other is someone that want's to be able to watch TV at different locations and doesn't want to have to lug around a portable TV.



    And to tell the truth I would guess that #2 is probably a higher percentage of their client base, a subscription allows you to rent an antenna and then stream content on the go for local broadcasts. That's kind of nice, I've go cable myself and unlimited data on my phone. I'll often stream CNN as background noise while working at my desk.



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    I watched ABC news two nights ago, and they had a spot about AEREO.

    What AEREO does is grab over the air digital broadcast, and puts it over the internet. So, they're technically not stealing cable or satellite broadcasts, just over the air casts.

    That being said, it was reported by ABC that if AEREO wins in court, broadcasters said they might stop broadcasts over the air entirely.

    But, IMO, that would be like shooting themselves in their own foot, advertisers might just jump their ship and stop their ads, the lack of revenue would put a big squeeze on broadcasters.

    In my town, my local cable company, TWC carries local channels, which are from Milwaukee, and not Chicago.

    When we had satellite television service, Dish and DirecTV charged people for local channels separately from their normal subscriber package. We dropped both because their rates were highly unreasonable.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Cable providers put their commercials over the broadcast commercials, so how can the original content provider make any money?
    Actually, IIRC, there are various time slots assigned for national broadcasters that provide content for retransmission by cable companies. The average 1-hour show has only about 44-minutes of content, the rest of the time is commercials. So let's say there are 3-minutes of commercials at the top of the hour. The breakdown could be, for example, 2-minutes are provided by the broadcaster and 1 minute is made available to local commercial overlay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I am not sure how it Works with this company but I doubt the commercials are being broadcast along with the content.
    That would be incorrect. Aereo is making no changes to content as they are not selling content. They are renting hardware. What the over-the-air broadcaster is transmitting out their antenna is received by one of 10's of thousands of individual antenna's assigned to an individual subscriber (only one antenna at a time per subscriber) and the signal received passes unchanged to the consumer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I watched ABC news two nights ago, and they had a spot about AEREO.

    What AEREO does is grab over the air digital broadcast, and puts it over the internet. So, they're technically not stealing cable or satellite broadcasts, just over the air casts.

    That being said, it was reported by ABC that if AEREO wins in court, broadcasters said they might stop broadcasts over the air entirely.

    But, IMO, that would be like shooting themselves in their own foot, advertisers might just jump their ship and stop their ads, the lack of revenue would put a big squeeze on broadcasters.

    In my town, my local cable company, TWC carries local channels, which are from Milwaukee, and not Chicago.

    When we had satellite television service, Dish and DirecTV charged people for local channels separately from their normal subscriber package. We dropped both because their rates were highly unreasonable.

    From the viewpoint of market penetration for advertising, the Aereo business model actually INCREASES the viewership for advertising - which (from an advertising viewpoint) is a good thing.


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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    From the viewpoint of market penetration for advertising, the Aereo business model actually INCREASES the viewership for advertising - which (from an advertising viewpoint) is a good thing.


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    How so, if broadcast companies decide not to put their signals out over the air in retaliation to what SCOTUS might rule in AEREO's favor?

    Not everyone in the USA has internet service. In some areas, like rural settings, internet service is spotty, and sometimes not even available.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    How so, if broadcast companies decide not to put their signals out over the air in retaliation to what SCOTUS might rule in AEREO's favor?

    Not everyone in the USA has internet service. In some areas, like rural settings, internet service is spotty, and sometimes not even available.

    I was talking about the way it is now, not if broadcasters end over-the-air transmissions.


    As it is now you have to have a TV tuner to watch their programming in the room where you want to watch it. That means you have a TV. If you want you can buy a TV tuner dongle to take with you to plug into a laptop if you are out of the house or in a room with no TV. However TV tuner dongles are normally not as sensitive as HD Blade antennas. With Aereo you can watch broadcast television not only on your TV using a blade antenna, you can now view it via stream on your computer, tablet, laptop, or smartphone with a data connection.

    So let's just say for discussion purposes that a person watches TV 3-hours per night. With Aereo and a tablet that individual can prop it up in the kitchens and have background TV on while making dinner, propped up on the treadmill in the bedroom while walking, can watch local channels on their smartphone while the kids are in dance class, catch-up on local weather while waiting at the dentists office, etc., etc.

    Aereo actually INCREASES (under the current situation) the amount of advertising that a population in a local geographic area are exposed to because they are not tied to being in front of the TV as the only delivery method. The broadcasters signal will be able to reach anyone in the broadcasters FCC area that: (a) pays a minor fee for streaming, and (b) has access to the internet. Aereo also increases the advertising exposure because there are people that have difficulty receiving television signals even if they are inside the broadcast area because of building interference, being in a valley, or being on the wrong side of a hill - Aereo opens the broadcasters signal up to those individuals who can't receive the signal due to RF transmission limitations.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    How so, if broadcast companies decide not to put their signals out over the air in retaliation to what SCOTUS might rule in AEREO's favor?

    Not everyone in the USA has internet service. In some areas, like rural settings, internet service is spotty, and sometimes not even available.
    The funny thing is that would be a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. The number of subscribers that Aereo has is a pretty small sliver of the population as compared to the number of viewers that broadcasters reach. Aereo is filling a niche market, that that can't receive broadcast signals (see above) or those that want a degree or mobility.

    Take the scale of possible viewers to Aereo subscribers and the percent of the subscribing population is pretty small, the broadcasters are basically saying "we're going to stop transmitting to millions because a a couple of hundreds of thousands (in a large market area) receive the same signal we transmit for free but instead get is streamed from an antenna they rent."

    Well the will likely see their ad revenue plummet. Why would a company that wants to reach the broadcast market (those without cable or satellite service) for advertising when the broadcaster isn't broadcasting. Makes no sense.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/danraybu...0-subscribers/

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Those Aereo people are b'stards, I tell ya! Here's an extremely informative vid of exactly how the system works...

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    I was talking about the way it is now, not if broadcasters end over-the-air transmissions.


    As it is now you have to have a TV tuner to watch their programming in the room where you want to watch it. That means you have a TV. If you want you can buy a TV tuner dongle to take with you to plug into a laptop if you are out of the house or in a room with no TV. However TV tuner dongles are normally not as sensitive as HD Blade antennas. With Aereo you can watch broadcast television not only on your TV using a blade antenna, you can now view it via stream on your computer, tablet, laptop, or smartphone with a data connection.

    So let's just say for discussion purposes that a person watches TV 3-hours per night. With Aereo and a tablet that individual can prop it up in the kitchens and have background TV on while making dinner, propped up on the treadmill in the bedroom while walking, can watch local channels on their smartphone while the kids are in dance class, catch-up on local weather while waiting at the dentists office, etc., etc.

    Aereo actually INCREASES (under the current situation) the amount of advertising that a population in a local geographic area are exposed to because they are not tied to being in front of the TV as the only delivery method. The broadcasters signal will be able to reach anyone in the broadcasters FCC area that: (a) pays a minor fee for streaming, and (b) has access to the internet. Aereo also increases the advertising exposure because there are people that have difficulty receiving television signals even if they are inside the broadcast area because of building interference, being in a valley, or being on the wrong side of a hill - Aereo opens the broadcasters signal up to those individuals who can't receive the signal due to RF transmission limitations.



    The funny thing is that would be a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. The number of subscribers that Aereo has is a pretty small sliver of the population as compared to the number of viewers that broadcasters reach. Aereo is filling a niche market, that that can't receive broadcast signals (see above) or those that want a degree or mobility.

    Take the scale of possible viewers to Aereo subscribers and the percent of the subscribing population is pretty small, the broadcasters are basically saying "we're going to stop transmitting to millions because a a couple of hundreds of thousands (in a large market area) receive the same signal we transmit for free but instead get is streamed from an antenna they rent."

    Well the will likely see their ad revenue plummet. Why would a company that wants to reach the broadcast market (those without cable or satellite service) for advertising when the broadcaster isn't broadcasting. Makes no sense.

    Insiders Say Aereo's "Sold Out" Service In NYC Area Only Amounts To 300,000 Subscribers - Forbes

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    I agree. Maybe the broadcasting networks were attempting to instill fear by making such a broad statement, all they'll do is lose.

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