View Poll Results: Should Aereo pay for rebroadcast fee's to the Networks?

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think the third likely one will be people who primarily watch network shows (or are comfortable with just having network shows) but would like DVR service for those shows.

    Ya that would fit also. Our flat screen in the living room is a little older, I just installed a new 32" in the computer/treadmill room on a Rocketfish articulating arm that is awesome. Much better technology in terms of media selection, app support, and the "browser" is much more robust in terms of web content.



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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Article from the broadcaster's perspective with a timeline on the issue: TVTechnology: The Aereo Timeline

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Aero isn't providing access to the same content as cable providers, pretty much every cable/satellite provider that I know of provides access to CNN, a cable only network. That channel (and other cable only channels) are not available on Aero - you can only rent an antenna to receive over the air broadcasts.



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    In the US (or perhaps it was just the state I was living in), local only channel packages were/are required to be offered by both cable and satellite providers at a super basic price for those who couldn't get regular antenna service. They may have changed, I've not been a cable or sat user in decades, but but in the day, for 9.95 a month, instead of the usual $50 a month cable usually was for the lower service with things like CNN, WGN, TNT, you could get the local channels, which amounted to like 5 of them.

    What doesn't make sense to me, is that if all they're providing is what's over the airwaves, why don't these users just buy a digital antennae and some cable to carry it to the tv or the tuner dongle on the laptop. Costs about $20 total and then you're done, why pay a monthly fee at all? I guess maybe if you move around town alot during the day and can't be without your tv shows. I guess there is probably even a non-wired way to accomplish this these days, though mine is wired so I do only watch in the one place.
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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    In the US (or perhaps it was just the state I was living in), local only channel packages were/are required to be offered by both cable and satellite providers at a super basic price for those who couldn't get regular antenna service. They may have changed, I've not been a cable or sat user in decades, but but in the day, for 9.95 a month, instead of the usual $50 a month cable usually was for the lower service with things like CNN, WGN, TNT, you could get the local channels, which amounted to like 5 of them.
    I just checked our cable provider (Cox) and their "Starter" plan which is basically what you described it $24.99 per month.

    For that you get local broadcast channels and some non-broadcast channels, but for that you don't even get CNN, TNT or Fox News. You do get WGN. To get those you have to go to the Economy package at $38.99 per month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    What doesn't make sense to me, is that if all they're providing is what's over the airwaves, why don't these users just buy a digital antennae...
    Although a home might be within the broadcast area, the transmission of television signals through the air are done by the transmission of Radio Frequency waves which are subject to dead zones resulting in loss of signal. They can be cause by being inside (or on the wrong side of buildings), located in a valley, or on the wrong side of a hill. Think of RF waves as being like light, sometimes obstructions will cause a "shadow" and if you are in the shadow you don't get a signal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    and some cable to carry it to the tv or the tuner dongle on the laptop.
    Same issue as above and turner dongles are even worse then an HD Blade antenna because they are smaller, the smaller antenna in the dongle isn't as sensitive as the larger blade antenna.

    In addition you can stream to your phone or tablet which doesn't have full USB ports.


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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    I just checked our cable provider (Cox) and their "Starter" plan which is basically what you described it $24.99 per month.

    For that you get local broadcast channels and some non-broadcast channels, but for that you don't even get CNN, TNT or Fox News. You do get WGN. To get those you have to go to the Economy package at $38.99 per month.



    Although a home might be within the broadcast area, the transmission of television signals through the air are done by the transmission of Radio Frequency waves which are subject to dead zones resulting in loss of signal. They can be cause by being inside (or on the wrong side of buildings), located in a valley, or on the wrong side of a hill. Think of RF waves as being like light, sometimes obstructions will cause a "shadow" and if you are in the shadow you don't get a signal.



    Same issue as above and turner dongles are even worse then an HD Blade antenna because they are smaller, the smaller antenna in the dongle isn't as sensitive as the larger blade antenna.

    In addition you can stream to your phone or tablet which doesn't have full USB ports.


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    I did catch the mobility issue. I know that for like 20 bucks you can get really impressive long distance hd antennas, as I had to have one in Boise, not because of distance, I was only 3 miles from downtown, but I was situated up against a foothill which blocked the Bogus Basin antennae. Mobility is a big issue with many though, I'm learning that. I'm old school. I want arse to be parked in my usual place with my usual glass of tea, and then watch my usual shows. Not one to try to watch on the go, but instead to pause or record and watch at my convenience.
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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    What doesn't make sense to me, is that if all they're providing is what's over the airwaves, why don't these users just buy a digital antennae and some cable to carry it to the tv or the tuner dongle on the laptop.
    It's attractive to me over going with an antenna for two reasons:

    1. It would allow me to DVR my network shows. My wife and I have a number of network shows that we watch together, but are rarely able to watch as they're broadcast. This allows easy access to them whenever we get time to sit and watch shows. I'd need to either setup a small computer to do this at home (which takes a bit of upfront cash and some no how) or would need to buy a TIVO and pay a monthly fee for that. This also is wonderful during football season for replaying portions of the game.

    2. It lets me watch TV on many devices. My wife doesn't like having a TV in the bedroom, but sometimes during football season we both like having the late game on as we're settling into bed. Aereo would let me setup my tablet and have it on, without a permanent TV in the bedroom. I like to have a TV on, even as background noise, while I cook in the kitche. Right now I use my tablet and netflix, as I can move it around as I move around so I can always see it if I want. This would give me the ability to do live or recorded television in that fashion.

    Even then I'd be unsure if I'd go with this over cable. There's a number of shows/channels I'd rather not do without. However, I'd definitely be tempted. With Netflix routinely getting the cable shows I want added to their catalog, but just a bit late, that solves the issue of many of the cable shows I'd want.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I did catch the mobility issue. I know that for like 20 bucks you can get really impressive long distance hd antennas, as I had to have one in Boise, not because of distance, I was only 3 miles from downtown, but I was situated up against a foothill which blocked the Bogus Basin antennae. Mobility is a big issue with many though, I'm learning that. I'm old school. I want arse to be parked in my usual place with my usual glass of tea, and then watch my usual shows. Not one to try to watch on the go, but instead to pause or record and watch at my convenience.

    That's cool. I'm in my 50's so I understand where you are coming from. Such a service wouldn't be that attractive to me as we get pretty good reception on an HD Blade antenna (we own one and tested it) although we still have cable.

    I have unlimited data on my phone so when I'm not in meetings I'll prop up my phone an stream CNN (which I can do because I'm a cable subscriber) and will then use headphones. Mostly it's just background, some people listen to music - I listen to the news.


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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    In the US (or perhaps it was just the state I was living in), local only channel packages were/are required to be offered by both cable and satellite providers at a super basic price for those who couldn't get regular antenna service. They may have changed, I've not been a cable or sat user in decades, but but in the day, for 9.95 a month, instead of the usual $50 a month cable usually was for the lower service with things like CNN, WGN, TNT, you could get the local channels, which amounted to like 5 of them.

    What doesn't make sense to me, is that if all they're providing is what's over the airwaves, why don't these users just buy a digital antennae and some cable to carry it to the tv or the tuner dongle on the laptop. Costs about $20 total and then you're done, why pay a monthly fee at all? I guess maybe if you move around town alot during the day and can't be without your tv shows. I guess there is probably even a non-wired way to accomplish this these days, though mine is wired so I do only watch in the one place.
    Especially since digital television was implemented, many people assume that they will not be able to receive all the 'local' channels with just an antennae. That can be true in hilly areas, among highrise buildings and in rural areas, but in many cases people could receive those channels for free with an antennae. The irony is that cable providers compress the signals from HD broadcasters and those channels look noticeably worse with cable than they do over the air.

    I switched to Netflix and over the air broadcasts (with a DVR) only and dropped cable and don't miss it at all. The only downside for me is that you have to wait a year for the most recent season of pay TV series to be available on Blu-Ray, DVD or on-demand. Those who need to keep up with the Joneses and sports fans probably do need cable or a dish service.

    Here's an interesting fact that is greatly under-reported: You do not need a special antennae for digital television, any passive (non-powered) antennae will work just as well. (although antennae size and location do matter) In fact, tests have shown that passive antennae work noticeably better than powered antennae, because powered antennae generate signals that interfere with reception.
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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Especially since digital television was implemented, many people assume that they will not be able to receive all the 'local' channels with just an antennae. That can be true in hilly areas, among highrise buildings and in rural areas, but in many cases people could receive those channels for free with an antennae. The irony is that cable providers compress the signals from HD broadcasters and those channels look noticeably worse with cable than they do over the air.

    I switched to Netflix and over the air broadcasts (with a DVR) only and dropped cable and don't miss it at all. The only downside for me is that you have to wait a year for the most recent season of pay TV series to be available on Blu-Ray, DVD or on-demand. Those who need to keep up with the Joneses and sports fans probably do need cable or a dish service.

    Here's an interesting fact that is greatly under-reported: You do not need a special antennae for digital television, any passive (non-powered) antennae will work just as well. (although antennae size and location do matter) In fact, tests have shown that passive antennae work noticeably better than powered antennae, because powered antennae generate signals that interfere with reception.
    Yep, that's the kind of antenna I had. It was a new design from the old metal laddered arrow, it was a set of two small round, some sort of plastic, discs in a light metal caging. Worked great. Didn't get or need a booster, just had to choose the right passive antenna, some were for longer distance from the source, some less. I got one more powerful than I needed because of the foothill issue, and it worked fine. So though I was only 15 miles from the source, I got one that could handle 75 miles from the source, still a passive antenna.
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