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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, and I agree, but cable/satellite providers pay a whole lot to effectively provide the same end result. Aereo isn't just an antenna, it's an antenna for their own retransmissions of channels, that's why there are so many channels available, not just the ones in your area. My tuner/antenna for the laptop only gets local channels, ie what you're talking about. Aereo is more, it is a true rebroadcaster essentially the same as cable/satellite. If my reading of it is accurate anyway.
    Aereo only retransmits the local channels (theoretically) available to their subscribers over the air. They even claim to have an individual antenna for each subscriber to differentiate themselves from cable companies.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 04-21-14 at 08:26 PM.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Aereo Internet service vs. TV broadcasters: US Supreme Court to decide

    Aereo has got a case going before the Supreme Court, to rule on, whether they can rebroadcast Network TV, over the Internet, for a cheaper alternative service to the big providers.
    Me thinks SCOTUS will rule in favor of broadcast, cable and satellite companies. I don't see any other way out of this, it's about how big and how much lobby influence they have, probably more than AEREO.

    But, I already have my digital television antenna and don't really care what they do, I became tired of paying $80 a month for BS.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Some background:

    "....Although cable television service providers routinely carried local affiliates of the major broadcast networks, independent stations and affiliates of minor networks were sometimes not carried, on the premise it would allow cable providers to instead carry non-local programming which they felt would attract more customers to their service.

    Many cable operators were also equity owners in these cable channels, especially Tele-Communications, Inc., then the nation's largest multiple system operator (MSO), and had moved to replace local channels with equity-owned programming (at the time, TCI held a large stake in Discovery Communications). This pressure was especially strong on cable systems with limited bandwidth for channels.

    The smaller local broadcasters argued that by hampering their access to this increasing segment of the local television audience, this posed a threat to the viability of free-to-view broadcast television, which they argued was a worthy public good.

    Local broadcast stations also argued cable systems were attempting to serve as a "gatekeeper" in competing unfairly for advertising revenue. Some affiliates of major networks also feared that non-local affiliates might negotiate to provide television programming to local cable services to expand their advertising market, taking away this audience from local stations, with similar negative impact on free broadcast television.

    Although cable providers argued that such regulation would impose an undue burden on their flexibility in selecting which services would be most appealing to their customers, the current "must-carry" rules were enacted by the United States Congress in 1992 (via the Cable Television Protection and Competition Act), and the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the rules in rejecting the arguments of the cable industry and programmers in the majority decision authored by Justice Anthony Kennedy. ....

    A side effect of the must-carry rules is that broadcast networks cannot charge cable television providers license fees for the program content retransmitted on the cable network, except potentially as a part of retransmission consent agreements in lieu of must-carry.

    ...... Station operators are allowed to demand payment from cable operators, or negotiate private agreements for carriage, or threaten revocation against the cable operator (see Sinclair, Time Warner Cable). Must-carry is a privilege given to television stations, not a cable company. A cable company cannot use must-carry to demand the right to carry an over-the-air station against the station's wishes."...If a broadcaster elects retransmission consent, there is no obligation for the cable system to carry the signal.[2] This option allows broadcasters who own stations, including those affiliated with major networks such as CBS, NBC and ABC or Fox to request cash or other compensation from cable or satellite providers for signals. These networks have usually attempted to gain further distribution of cable services and/or co-owned low-power television stations in which they also hold an equity position rather than direct cash compensation, which cable systems have almost universally balked at paying....."
    Must-carry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    BBC cannot be rebroadcast for free. You folks pay for your basic TV service, it's not free at all.
    Within EU borders it can. Any tv or radio channel that is free to view in a member country can be rebroadcast to another without the permission of the tv or radio channel. Hence Filmon.com is fully legal.
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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    To expand on what Shrubnose is saying, here's how the Aereo service generally works.

    In the cities where Aereo's services operate they own a building that's filled with an extremely high volume of incredibly small HD antenna's that pull down the free television stations over the air signal.

    Each of these antenna are then hooked up to a box that acts as a DVR and has a connection to the internet.

    Customers within that geographical location can then pay Aereo for access to one of those antennas. At that point, the individual can use software on a computer, smartphone/tablet, or some TV companions (Roku for instance) to access the feed from their antenna.

    Additionally, since the antennas are hooked up to a DVR, the Aereo service provides you with some basic DVR services depending on which package you go with them.

    This is very similar to using a Sling Box within your own home. In that case, the Sling Box uses your own cable connection and DVR to push your television content onto the internet so you can stream it on other devices in other locations. What Aereo is doing is giving you that ability, but with all of the infrastructure (The antenna, the DVR, the internet connection) at a separate location.

    EVERYTHING you can do with Aereo you could do at home without paying a dime to the cable companies. You could set up an antenna, you could set up a sling box, and you could set up a DVR and be able to do the same thing Aereo does. However, the upfront cost for you would be significantly more to do that and would require some level of technical know-how. Aereo’s service is attractive because it takes that hassle away and removes the upfront cost in exchange for a small monthly fee.

    But Aereo itself isn’t widely broadcasting television content openly to anyone. They’re renting people antennas, and then allowing people to view the content from their specific antenna. Specifically, they’re renting antenna’s only to people who would be able to access that antenna’s stations from their own home.

    For example, Aereo has their service running in New York City. I live in the DC area. Since I’m in DC as opposed to the NYC area, I’m not allowed to subscribe to their service in NYC. And since they don’t currently have their service in DC, I can’t use them at all. So they’re not providing people channels that they wouldn’t theoretically have access to, for free, in their own home.

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    Re: Aereo TV Service

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    I saw this company on the net a year or two ago and though wow that kind of a neat application of technology, I think at the time they were in only two markets.

    Summary of Technology:
    Within the Radio Frequency spectrum, broadcast television is assigned certain bans they can use as a standard. This allow television manufactures to have common specific frequency "channels" assigned which is a subset or "band" of frequencies at certain points which will contain the video and audio component that we watch. For very strong signals a TV doesn't even need an antenna to receive signals, but to capture more signals and at beater quality we connect an antenna to the TV which enhances the TV reception. Sometimes it could be "rabbit ears" or a newer "blade" antenna that sit on a shelf near the TV. Other time we may run cable from the inside to an antenna on the roof of the house or apartment building. What we can also do is to connect video recording devises between the signal collection point (the antenna) and the TV to record broadcasts to time shift their viewing.

    What Aero does is maintain arrays of thousands, tens of thousands of individual antennas connected to recording devices. When the consumer signs up for their service they are allocated resources from one antenna and for storage space. And here is an important distinction each consumer access only ONE antenna that they control along with their allocation of personal storage space. Aero does not collect and rebroadcast one signal, each individual consumer controls the antenna selection. If five different people are watching an over the air broadcast from from the local ABC affiliate, then 5 different antennas are being used and streamed to those homes. Because each consumer has control over their signal, each can use the time shift capabilities of their personal recording to be watching different sigments of the time stream. Say at one point Consumer A and Consumer B are both watching "The Big Bang Theory". Consumer A sits down and watch the show uninterrupted, Consumer B gets phone call and pauses the stream. After a 2 minutes phone call Consumer B continues to watch the show. Because the show is stored in a personal space allocation this shows they are watching two different streams.

    Of important point to note, Aero will only allow consumers to collect and time shift signals within the area of the broadcast station. This means that if you are in Washing DC you can't capture and stream New York broadcasters since you are outside the viewing area. Even if you live in New York and are traveling the system will not function once you leave the geographic broadcast area.

    "Basically, Aereo uses FCC maps to determine the maximum perimeter around the New York City metropolitan area from which someone with a typical residential TV antenna on her roof would be able to pick up over-the-air signals from New York City. If the customer ventures outside that range, her phone's GPS or wi-fi systems will eventually detect that fact, and Aereo will dutifully cut off reception." (Aereo is leaving the courts dazed and confused - Fortune Tech)

    Broadcasters Argument:
    From what I've read of the arguments, the broadcasters are trying to make it appear that Aero is recording their broadcast and retransmitting it to 10's of thousand of customers simultaneously, which of course is a copy-write infringement. From this perspective there would be no difference in what Aero is doing and me recording a movie off SyFy, taking that recording to my local school renting their auditorium and then charging people to come in an watch my recording played for an audience.

    Aero's Argument:
    On the other side of the coin Aero's claim is that they are not violating copy-write because they are not recording content and reselling it, they are renting hardware (basically antenna array space and digital storage) that the consumer then controls. From their perspective they are not capturing broadcast from public performance (a key term in the case law). By renting hardware, it is the consumer that is capturing the broadcast and routing it to their home, that there is no difference in the application of their technology to a homeowner capturing the signal and routing it to their own hardware (video recording) to watch and/or time shift at their preference.


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    The legality of remote storage (i.e. outside the home) was addressed in a suit in 2008 when a cable company offered remote storage outside the home for later viewing by the consumer. The appeals court found it a valid application of technology and not a violation of copy-write law because individual copies were stored to space allocated to individual consumers - the same as what Aero is doing. The cable company under this remote-DVR (digital video recorder) concept did no keep one copy of a show and resell it. The company simply facilitated through technology remote storage for the consumer and it was the consumer that then decided on content and when to view it.


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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, and I agree, but cable/satellite providers pay a whole lot to effectively provide the same end result. Aereo isn't just an antenna, it's an antenna for their own retransmissions of channels, that's why there are so many channels available, not just the ones in your area. My tuner/antenna for the laptop only gets local channels, ie what you're talking about. Aereo is more, it is a true rebroadcaster essentially the same as cable/satellite. If my reading of it is accurate anyway.

    The Aero service only provide the same channels that are available in the local area. If you live outside an area then you can't subscribe. If you live in the local area and travel outside the area and attempt to use a portable device (laptop, smartphone, tablet) to stream the signal from home their system recognizes that you are outside the viewing area and block delivery of service.



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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I went to their site, and it's a bit confusing. It says it's an antenna, but it says it's an internet antenna, which means they could rebroadcast anything live that they have access to, for example getting WGN out of the natural airwave area. It doesn't look like they are doing that though since it's only offered in some cities at this point. It looks like, for the most part, they are providing an alternative antenna option. [/QUOTE

    I know however I've seen ads about a different one, a rabbit or something like that, where they claim to be rebroadcasting 1000s of tv and radio stations from around the world. I assumed Aereo was the same, I may be wrong. Evenso, it's exactly what cable and satellite providers DO pay for, and since one can get cable/satellite packages for just the local channels, I'd say the comparison to that level of rebroadcast is the same.

    And again, I think neither cable, nor satellite, nor Aereo should be charged to rebroadcast television otherwise available over the normal airwaves.

    Aero isn't providing access to the same content as cable providers, pretty much every cable/satellite provider that I know of provides access to CNN, a cable only network. That channel (and other cable only channels) are not available on Aero - you can only rent an antenna to receive over the air broadcasts.



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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Me thinks SCOTUS will rule in favor of broadcast, cable and satellite companies. I don't see any other way out of this, it's about how big and how much lobby influence they have, probably more than AEREO.

    But, I already have my digital television antenna and don't really care what they do, I became tired of paying $80 a month for BS.

    There are two two likely subscriber models for Aero:

    1. Someone that lives in a "Dead Zone" caused by buildings or lives in a valley where the signal is blocked.

    2. The other is someone that want's to be able to watch TV at different locations and doesn't want to have to lug around a portable TV.



    And to tell the truth I would guess that #2 is probably a higher percentage of their client base, a subscription allows you to rent an antenna and then stream content on the go for local broadcasts. That's kind of nice, I've go cable myself and unlimited data on my phone. I'll often stream CNN as background noise while working at my desk.



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    Re: Aereo TV Service

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    There are two two likely subscriber models for Aero:

    1. Someone that lives in a "Dead Zone" caused by buildings or lives in a valley where the signal is blocked.

    2. The other is someone that want's to be able to watch TV at different locations and doesn't want to have to lug around a portable TV.



    And to tell the truth I would guess that #2 is probably a higher percentage of their client base, a subscription allows you to rent an antenna and then stream content on the go for local broadcasts. That's kind of nice, I've go cable myself and unlimited data on my phone. I'll often stream CNN as background noise while working at my desk.



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    I think the third likely one will be people who primarily watch network shows (or are comfortable with just having network shows) but would like DVR service for those shows.

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