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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I'm curious. Why is it "just" to take from the successful and redistribute to failures?
    The government doesn't call them 'failures'. They call them 'victims'.

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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The government doesn't call them 'failures'. They call them 'victims'.
    Victims of Clinton shipping jobs overseas?

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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "If the top 10% already pay 70% of all federal income taxes then there can be no claim that they do not pay at least their fair share"

    Is the above statement True or False?
    It is false because the statement does not show what share of income that top 10% gets. What's more, it does not show how much in the way of taxes that each of those in the top 10% use - both personally and by extension - as compared to how much the bottom 90% uses. For instance, someone in the bottom half depends upon his education to get a job, and upon the roads in order to get to work...but someone in the top 10% depends upon the education provided to his or her workforce in order to operate his or her business, and often depends upon a whole network of roads in order for his or her business to be able to function.

    So...no, no sympathy for the rich here.
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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "If the top 10% already pay 70% of all federal income taxes then there can be no claim that they do not pay at least their fair share"

    Is the above statement True or False?
    The top quintile (because I can't find statistics for the top 10%) earned 52.5% of the country's total income in 2012, and paid 68.3% of the country's total federal taxes. The top quintile also holds 88.9% of the country's total net worth, and 95.6% of the country's financial wealth (not including the value of people's homes).

    So I would say that the wealthy are paying a little more than their fair share, but not as much more as some people make it out to be.
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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I'm curious. Why is it "just" to take from the successful and redistribute to failures?
    Well, first off, you're a dick.

    Second, even if every single American worked literally as hard as they could, THERE WOULD STILL BE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE FAIRLY POOR, EVEN BY TODAY'S STANDARDS. That is because, inevitably, not everyone can "Get the promotion". The further up you go, the fewer positions there are. Not everyone can be rich, obviously, and not everyone can even be "middle class", EVEN IF the so called "failures" did everything the "right way". It is just inherent in the system itself. Now, obviously, very poor people often don't exercise the highest degree of logic when it comes to pulling themselves out of poverty, but there are most often a wide number of factors that help keep them poor, even things as simple as they way they are brought up and raised (or not raised) by their parents.

    To help correct for this automatic imbalance, a system should exist with a mechanism to account for that inherent inequality, as even if everyone worked equally hard, some would STILL be poor. So yes, throw them (at the very least) a freakin bone, or two.

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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The top quintile (because I can't find statistics for the top 10%) earned 52.5% of the country's total income in 2012, and paid 68.3% of the country's total federal taxes. The top quintile also holds 88.9% of the country's total net worth, and 95.6% of the country's financial wealth (not including the value of people's homes).

    So I would say that the wealthy are paying a little more than their fair share, but not as much more as some people make it out to be.
    But we are talking about income tax, so you should be comparing how much they pay in income tax with how much of nationally earned income they constitute.

    Financial wealth is often taxed in other ways aside from the income tax anyway.

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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It is false because the statement does not show what share of income that top 10% gets. What's more, it does not show how much in the way of taxes that each of those in the top 10% use - both personally and by extension - as compared to how much the bottom 90% uses. For instance, someone in the bottom half depends upon his education to get a job, and upon the roads in order to get to work...but someone in the top 10% depends upon the education provided to his or her workforce in order to operate his or her business, and often depends upon a whole network of roads in order for his or her business to be able to function.

    So...no, no sympathy for the rich here.
    the share of the income the top 10% gets is easy to find and is not 70% so your position is silly. So is your claim about what the "rich" use. Of course you don't have sympathy for the rich. Most of the rants about the rich are based on envy
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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "If the top 10% already pay 70% of all federal income taxes then there can be no claim that they do not pay at least their fair share"

    Is the above statement True or False?
    Neither. "Fair Share" is a poor and arbitrary notion that shouldn't factor into income tax levels. "Fairness" is not a good measurement for law as it's a completely subjective notion that has no definitive answer. Additionally, to often action that could be viewed as "unfair" can be attempted to "recitfy" something entirely seperate that they deem to also be "unfair".

    IE...it's "unfair" that certain people have so much money, so we'll "unfairly" take a substantially amount away from them.

    Fairness isn't the basis for which our tax code should be decided.
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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think lots of people will claim the top 10% don't pay their fair share. I'm going to go out on a limb and surmise that's where you're headed here with the quote from Jack.
    You mean their fair share of the overspending and waste of the federal government? I mean that's what we're talking about here. Why do you never see anyone on the Left talking about the spending side of the budget?
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    Re: Is This Statement True Of Federal Income Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the share of the income the top 10% gets is easy to find and is not 70% so your position is silly. So is your claim about what the "rich" use. Of course you don't have sympathy for the rich. Most of the rants about the rich are based on envy
    Look at the question, guy - if a question does not include all the pertinent information, then you really need to learn how to make sure that all the pertinent information is included before you answer it - otherwise your answer is based upon assumption.

    And if you'd taken care to read the REST of my answer, then you would have seen how my answer would have applied to America in any case even when the top 10% is paying 70% of the taxes. And FYI, my answer's not based on envy at all - if you understood my life in the least, you'd know that. You really need to learn to stop making assumptions about what other people must be like, when all you're doing is basing your assumptions on the fact that they don't agree with you politically or socially.
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