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Homeschooling[W:199]

Homeschooling

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Re: Homeschooling

I don't think there's anything wrong with homeschooling.

I think the focus should be on providing your children a better education than they could get in a public school. I think where homeschooling goes wrong is when it's a method to shield children from anything not strictly controlled by the parent. The real world is going to exist out there eventually for the child.
 
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Eric7216 said:
Yes, I understand that and agree that everyone should have some universality. I just worry a lot about sacrificing good education on the altar of diversity. When I am trying to learn math, science, language, I think that it dilutes things. And while I agree that any history or social science will have a bias introducing several other biases will not greatly improve things. To overly simplify, history from Jefferson's perspective is going to be different from some slave's perspective or some woman's perspective but there are a near infinite number of other perspectives (by economic class, by prior nationality, by sexual orientation, by political views, by state/region/geographic, etc. and we are only fooling ourselves if we add 2 or 3 different views and call ourselves exposed to diversity. All we are doing is creating a slightly differently biased view of realities. There must be a better way of getting across the idea of different viewpoints without trying the ridiculously impossible task of enumerating them.

EDIT: And we are creating the lie and destructive notion that all blacks are alike, all women are alike, etc.
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Exposure to higher frequency of viewpoints/perspectives provides the opportunity for students to acknowledge the bigger world picture better. This sample/taste of how diverse others are out there would work better than exposing students to single minded people. In the later version they may be shocked when harshly exposed to the chaos out there such as for instance the case was with Gathomas.

The more people are exposed to various types of African Americans, various types of women the less they may accept that "All blacks are alike" and "All women are alike," etc.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Various backgrounds? Do you think people of varoius backgrounds can only be found in public schools?

And by background, what do you mean? Country of ancestry? Economic? Societal? Location? Breastfed versus bottle fed? Religious?
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All those and much more.

Yes they can be found everywhere but "no" the ones outside of school would be less interested to tackle scientific concepts from their own perspectives.
 
Re: Homeschooling

Gathomas88 said:
That frankly strikes me as being somewhat misguided. However, it's better than nothing, I suppose.
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I think you're completely missing the point here. There is a difference between not teaching a student French and teaching the student that French is the "Devil's tongue." One is leaving the topic open (to one extent or another), the other is inculcating a dogmatic and narrow minded mentality.
 
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iliveonramen said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with homeschooling.

I think the focus should be on providing your children a better education than they could get in a public school. I think where homeschooling goes wrong is when it's a method to shield children from anything not strictly controlled by the parent. The real world is going to exist out there eventually for the child.
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That is the rub. Most people are totally incapable of teaching their children sufficiently well for the children to have an equal opportunity even compared with a poor public school. Nor do most have the money to afford private tutors or to run their own private school.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Here's a question that's been bugging me. Why do parents want their children to learn to interact with their PEER group primarily? When my family looks at socialization we look at it from a completely different view, almost polar opposite. We look at it that the children should be getting as much interaction and socialization with ADULTS as they can and their PEER group is strictly for play and recreation any socialization that may come is simply by product of their play. Our view is that we are preparing our children for entry into the ADULT world, hence the need for as much adult interaction as possible. Working for and with and serving and being served by as many and as wide a group of adults as can be possible. So why the emphasis of most parents on this forum at least for children to socialize with their peer group?
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PirateMk1 said:
So why the emphasis on socializing with the peer group?
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I can agree with that to a certain extent. I have always gotten on a lot better with adults than people my own age myself. Even today, most of the people I socialize with are at least 3 to 5 years older than I am.

Come to think of it, having hordes of young children spending half of every day locked away together is a fairly recent invention anyway, and one which doesn't seem to result in especially productive outcomes a lot of the time at that.

However, that being said, given the fact that the above is something our society makes a point of encouraging, a person really doesn't have any choice but to become at least somewhat familiar and comfortable with it. It's simply "how the game is played" these days.

You kind of have to rely on the assistance of your peers to get ahead in life to a certain extent. You can't do it purely by yourself.
 
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Cephus said:
It harms their ability to think critically and rationally about the world around them. Studies show that the religious are much more likely to follow other forms of woo beliefs and be taken in by shysters. Once you allow in one bit of mind poison, you're much more likely to do the same with others.
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Mind poison? :roll: How about this -- you teach your children what you want them to know, and keep your nose out of the rest of everyone else's lesson plans. You know, you anti-religious crusaders are just as bad as the uber-religious people who blow up abortion clinics in the name of God, or fly planes into buildings because their God told them to.
 
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TeleKat said:
Do you homeschool your children and do you think you think it's a viable option for other families?
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Yes it is a viable option but if you have access to a decent public school system I think it is a net negative. I also think it has to be done properly with the right qualifications and certifications.
 
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Cardinal said:
I think you're completely missing the point here. There is a difference between not teaching a student French and teaching the student that French is the "Devil's tongue." One is leaving the topic open (to one extent or another), the other is inculcating a dogmatic and narrow minded mentality.
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But, but, I took French for three years, and it is the devil's tongue. Not only that, but you have to fill your mouth full of marshmallows for proper pronunciation.
 
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humbolt said:
But, but, I took French for three years, and it is the devil's tongue. Not only that, but you have to fill your mouth full of marshmallows for proper pronunciation.
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If you can say "Taureau Merde" very loud and clear, you're on the right track, and most people will nod their heads in agreement about the trend of things! :lamo:
 
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polgara said:
If you can say "Taureau Merde" very loud and clear, you're on the right track, and most people will nod their heads in agreement about the trend of things! :lamo:
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My instructor was Inspector Clouseau, so I'm still learning to master "bombe".
 
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humbolt said:
My instructor was Inspector Clouseau, so I'm still learning to master "bombe".
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French is a stupid language. Do you know there isn't a word for seventy, eighty or ninety? It's basically "sixty plus ten", "forty times two," and "forty times two plus ten."

"Hey Pierre, so we've made up ten through sixty, what comes next?"
"**** it, it's drinking time, just add other numbers up to be seventy through ninety."
 
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How many students fail out, drop out, or barely manage to graduate from homeschools? How many of them go on to being career criminals, rapists, murders and life long prisoners? How many homeschoolers shoot up a mall, public square or....a school?
 
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mac said:
How many students fail out, drop out, or barely manage to graduate from homeschools? How many of them go on to being career criminals, rapists, murders and life long prisoners? How many homeschoolers shoot up a mall, public square or....a school?
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Different demographic, different negative result. Jews don't do a whole lot of rape/murder, but we sure are good at stealing your 401k's. Likewise homeschoolers may or may not become career criminals (I'm taking your word for it, I haven't seen any studies), but they really know how to tard up every forum thread about equal rights and science.
 
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Cardinal said:
French is a stupid language. Do you know there isn't a word for seventy, eighty or ninety? It's basically "sixty plus ten", "forty times two," and "forty times two plus ten."

"Hey Pierre, so we've made up ten through sixty, what comes next?"
"**** it, it's drinking time, just add other numbers up to be seventy through ninety."
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I absolutely hated French. I'm completely baffled at their ability to survive.
 
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Cardinal said:
Different demographic, different negative result. Jews don't do a whole lot of rape/murder, but we sure are good at stealing your 401k's. Likewise homeschoolers may or may not become career criminals (I'm taking your word for it, I haven't seen any studies), but they really know how to tard up every forum thread about equal rights and science.
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Well, then clearly they are a detriment to society and most be stopped at all costs!
 
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DDD said:
All those and much more.

Yes they can be found everywhere but "no" the ones outside of school would be less interested to tackle scientific concepts from their own perspectives.
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They can alll be found outside of public schools. And they are. And they talk too.
 
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mac said:
Well, then clearly they are a detriment to society and most be stopped at all costs!
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Kind of!
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
I've had the same experience. One of the most important parts of being in school is learning to socialize with people around you. Without that vital training, people will be ill-adjusted.

Liberal/socialist agenda? The ideas of Darwin are not some secret liberal agenda, denying them won't make them go away, it will only retard scientific progress in our country and allow others to surpass us.
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You see, I am not believing either one of you. I think neither one of you know any homeschooled kids because of my up close and personal contact with hundreds of them, and my own experience has been that homeschooled kids generally have superior science knowledge and skills as well as excelling in the 3 R's, and all are very well adjusted socially.
 
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I live in uberconservobotville and many people I know homeschooled. I have seen the two extremes but not much in the middle. I have seen parents do a great job with their kids, the parents taking turns teaching different subjects with a class plan and disciplined approach to scheduling. These parents insured the kids were well socialized by taking them to programs at the YMCA and schools, meusems etc to interact with other kids. One friends family in particular really did a great job and the kids have done extremely well. On the other hand I know people who homeschooled to keep their kids away from teh outside world and those "liberal" teachers with nearly no education or socialization. Should not be leagl for some or they should have to pass test or something to ensrure they learn something.
Paschendale said:
It seems that homeschool is often the last resort of the deeply religious to keep their children from learning anything about the world around them, either in terms of science, politics, economics, sexuality, medicine, or human behavior, so that they can never make an informed decision as to whether to adhere to the religious precepts of their parents or not.

Or, you know, "avoid Liberal/socialist brainwashing of the public schools". Basically the same thing.
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PoS said:
Yes, because Im sure you feel the socialist state is the only one who should brainwash children. :roll:

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:roll:
Strawman argument.
 
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mak2 said:
I live in uberconservobotville and many people I know homeschooled. I have seen the two extremes but not much in the middle. I have seen parents do a great job with their kids, the parents taking turns teaching different subjects with a class plan and disciplined approach to scheduling. These parents insured the kids were well socialized by taking them to programs at the YMCA and schools, meusems etc to interact with other kids. One friends family in particular really did a great job and the kids have done extremely well. On the other hand I know people who homeschooled to keep their kids away from teh outside world and those "liberal" teachers with nearly no education or socialization. Should not be leagl for some or they should have to pass test or something to ensrure they learn something.
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I think most of them do have to pass a test. I think an explanation of the difference between insure and ensure is required.


sorry, couldn't resist.
 
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:3oops:I was public schooled.
mac said:
I think most of them do have to pass a test. I think an explanation of the difference between insure and ensure is required.


sorry, couldn't resist.
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Re: Homeschooling

:) There are going to be exceptions to almost anything no matter how successful. There are going to be the occasional anomalies. This is true no matter HOW kids are raised or parented or educated. But to evaluate the success of any concept, we cannot look at the occasional deviance or anomaly and conclude that something is ineffective or substandard or doesn't work.

It's kind of like Obamacare. For some Americans it has been a really good deal. For many others it has been a tragedy, aggravations, insult, horrific experience. To evaluate the success of the program, we have to decide if the negatives outweigh the positives or vice versa. It is the same with homeschooling or any other means of educating children.

The fact is that overall, American public schooled children are far behind their counterparts in most other developed countries and even some so-called 'third world' countries. And the fact is that most homeschooled children are on a par or even exceed their counterparts in most other developed countries.

You just can't dismiss the statistical record by pointing to one or two kids that didn't succeed with homeschooling. Most especially when there is no way to know if they would have done better in any other system.
 
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