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Homeschooling


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Every home-schooled person I have ever met is badly socially adjusted. I know parents who home-school who really try to involve their kids in outside activities to socialize them, however, many don't....and even those who do are not always successful.

I am sure you would find fault with them no matter what. Just the home school/anti indoctrination is just another thing for you to dislike.
 
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Thanks.

I have nothing to gain in providing answers to you personally.

Um, so you mention diversity, but you refuse to define it when I ask you what specifically you were talking about?

Diversity has many many meanings when speaking of people. You can't articulate what you think is important, but you think it's important.

Okay.
 
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How does diversity has nothing to do with foreign language?

I don't believe that having various genders, sexual orientations, races, Hispanic, Korean, etc. will help someone learn French. A native speaking French person might.
 
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Um, so you mention diversity, but you refuse to define it when I ask you what specifically you were talking about?

Diversity has many many meanings when speaking of people. You can't articulate what you think is important, but you think it's important.

Okay.

Not if you believe that my opinion here should matter to you on a personal level. I think you should do whatever you think is right to your kids. You are the mother and have the full right to do so.

On a general sense though, as mentioned above, students should be exposed to multiple perspectives and get a taste of the real world out there. Closing them in a bubble of homeschooling may not do it.
 
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I don't believe that having various genders, sexual orientations, races, Hispanic, Korean, etc. will help someone learn French. A native speaking French person might.

My kids all take a foreign language. Two take French, one takes German (and also Latin if we consider that dead language a foreign one). All are and have been taught by Americans. My kids are learning through study and practice at home, and with my help as I studied for a year in Vienna so I still speak some basic German, and I studied French for 8 years. They all excel in their classes. And you're right, I don't have to import any people of other race or sexual orientation into our home at homework time to have them learn these languages.
 
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I don't believe that having various genders, sexual orientations, races, Hispanic, Korean, etc. will help someone learn French. A native speaking French person might.

You brought up the concept of "helping" into the ordeal of education. Whether those may or may not help is a different issue.

My issue is that multiple perspectives should be shared in class so as to expose students to the real world. Not to a bubble made of similarly minded peers for that may bring group-think, freeze thing, and other unwanted psycho-social problems later.
 
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Not if you believe that my opinion here should matter to you on a personal level. I think you should do whatever you think is right to your kids. You are the mother and have the full right to do so.

On a general sense though, as mentioned above, students should be exposed to multiple perspectives and get a taste of the real world out there. Closing them in a bubble of homeschooling may not do it.

I do think your opinion matters because this is an interesting topic and with the exception of some who posted in her to get their digs in at the religious folks who homeschool, it's interesting ot read the opinions.. I'm not posting in here because I'm asking for people to validate what my husband & I decide, which was send our kids to public schools, was the right choice.

Can you define "diversity" in the public schools or not?
 
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I must say that I enjoyed the outright stupidity of the far left on here. Seems like they're the ones who needed homeschooling the most.
 
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We don't homeschool our kids, however we did consider it. I don't like public schools for the most part but there is a certain social aspect that I think is beneficial to children in their lives and development.
 
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Near as I can figure, for most people, "socialization" can mean either one of two things with regard to children.

A) That they learn to behave like everyone else around them so that they "fit in" with society at large and its prevailing social mores.

or

B) That they learn to easily interact with everyone else, so that they are not social outcasts.

I think position B) has at least some merit, but position A) is nothing less than complete authoritarian nonsense.

I think position B) has an incredible amount of merit, and homeschoolers usually don't learn it. That's not to say they can't, if the parents make a sufficient effort to do it, but the vast majority don't. The fact is that the degree of socialization you get in school is hard to replace when just one or two people are trying to cart you around by themselves.

I know two homeschooled people well.

One believes homeschooling actually ruined her life for this reason. She had to spend years in therapy and re-socializing herself to function at any kind of adult level, which she didn't achieve until her late 20's.

The other guy I know is now in his 30's, and is so poorly socialized that he is perpetually moving down the age bracket in his friendships and relationships. They are all in the 17 to 22 range, and they all drop him once they get older than that because he is so immature and so poor at communication. He even dresses like a teenager. He's frozen in a place most of us grew out of in mid-high school, and he does attribute this to homeschooling, although he has little desire to change it, it seems.

Again, is it possible to cover B) while homeschooling? Sure. But it seems to be that very few people do.

And for my two cents? As an eccentric who seems to be affected by the injustice of how some treat others and the world the way most people are affected by a physical whipping, I don't think I ever would have been able to function at all if I had not been constantly dealing with socialization all through my childhood. I hated most of it, but there's no way I could have dealt with adulthood if I hadn't been practicing every single day when the stakes were low and I always had a place to retreat.

I agree with you A) is bull****, and most schools encourage A). That's where the parents come in. I essentially went to two schools: normal school, which was mostly just to socialize me and make sure I knew the basics of bureaucracy. And then whatever my dad could manage afterwards -- my deeper forms of knowledge, and how to resist A).

So normal school is certainly not a perfect solution -- it can be damaging in its own right. But, presumably, whoever would have been the homeschool teacher stays home, so they can afford to do this. My dad worked. I have no idea how he pulled it off.
 
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I think position B) has an incredible amount of merit, and homeschoolers usually don't learn it. That's not to say they can't, if the parents make a sufficient effort to do it, but the vast majority don't. The fact is that the degree of socialization you get in school is hard to replace when just one or two people are trying to cart you around by themselves.

I know two homeschooled people well.

One believes homeschooling actually ruined her life for this reason. She had to spend years in therapy and re-socializing herself to function at any kind of adult level, which she didn't achieve until her late 20's.

The other guy I know is now in his 30's, and is so poorly socialized that he is perpetually moving down the age bracket in his friendships and relationships. They are all in the 17 to 22 range, and they all drop him once they get older than that because he is so immature and so poor at communication. He even dresses like a teenager. He's frozen in a place most of us grew out of in mid-high school, and he does attribute this to homeschooling, although he has little desire to change it, it seems.

Again, is it possible to cover B) while homeschooling? Sure. But it seems to be that very few people do.

And for my two cents? As an eccentric who seems to be affected by the injustice of how some treat others and the world the way most people are affected by a physical whipping, I don't think I ever would have been able to function at all if I had not been constantly dealing with socialization all through my childhood. I hated most of it, but there's no way I could have dealt with adulthood if I hadn't been practicing every single day when the stakes were low and I always had a place to retreat.

I agree with you A) is bull****, and most schools encourage A). That's where the parents come in. I essentially went to two schools: normal school, which was mostly just to socialize me and make sure I knew the basics of bureaucracy. And then whatever my dad could manage afterwards -- my deeper forms of knowledge, and how to resist A).

So normal school is certainly not a perfect solution -- it can be damaging in its own right. But, presumably, whoever would have been the homeschool teacher stays home, so they can afford to do this. My dad worked. I have no idea how he pulled it off.

None of that requires homeschooling, people who went to public schools can and do have those very same problems. Your problem is with statistics and proper data set size. You only have two data points, you cannot actually quantify the entire system off of two points.
 
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My kids all take a foreign language. Two take French, one takes German (and also Latin if we consider that dead language a foreign one). All are and have been taught by Americans. My kids are learning through study and practice at home, and with my help as I studied for a year in Vienna so I still speak some basic German, and I studied French for 8 years. They all excel in their classes. And you're right, I don't have to import any people of other race or sexual orientation into our home at homework time to have them learn these languages.

Good for them. Off subject but I have cousins born and raised in Chile, Swiss national father, American mother. Educated at a private school for Swiss nationals in Santiago. Taught in French and German. Learn some Italian. Spoke English at home and Spanish, of course, in the neighborhood. All are extremely intelligent and I suspect the early language training had a lot to do with that.
 
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It's a myth that the majority of homeschoolers are cloistered, cut off from "normal socializing."
 
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Good for them. Off subject but I have cousins born and raised in Chile, Swiss national father, American mother. Educated at a private school for Swiss nationals in Santiago. Taught in French and German. Learn some Italian. Spoke English at home and Spanish, of course, in the neighborhood. All are extremely intelligent and I suspect the early language training had a lot to do with that.

What an exceptional opportunity for them. I wish I had kept my edge on what I learned in my younger years in foreign language. After a year of immersion in Austria, I could speak German quite well. Your cousins are being exposed to so many languages and if they keep them up, they will be very marketable.
 
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None of that requires homeschooling, people who went to public schools can and do have those very same problems. Your problem is with statistics and proper data set size. You only have two data points, you cannot actually quantify the entire system off of two points.

I have never seen anyone who went to school and came out with those kinds of problems unless they had a mental disorder. I have seen lazy people, but not people who are simply unable to relate to adults at all.

I am not claiming this is a statistic. And it's entirely dependent on how one goes about homeschooling. My only point was how important point B) actually is. At least around here, it seems like these kids don't get much socialization. And in fact, some homeschool parents choose to do so for the express purpose of sheltering their children from the outside world.
 
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You brought up the concept of "helping" into the ordeal of education. Whether those may or may not help is a different issue.

My issue is that multiple perspectives should be shared in class so as to expose students to the real world. Not to a bubble made of similarly minded peers for that may bring group-think, freeze thing, and other unwanted psycho-social problems later.

Yes, I understand that and agree that everyone should have some universality. I just worry a lot about sacrificing good education on the altar of diversity. When I am trying to learn math, science, language, I think that it dilutes things. And while I agree that any history or social science will have a bias introducing several other biases will not greatly improve things. To overly simplify, history from Jefferson's perspective is going to be different from some slave's perspective or some woman's perspective but there are a near infinite number of other perspectives (by economic class, by prior nationality, by sexual orientation, by political views, by state/region/geographic, etc. and we are only fooling ourselves if we add 2 or 3 different views and call ourselves exposed to diversity. All we are doing is creating a slightly differently biased view of realities. There must be a better way of getting across the idea of different viewpoints without trying the ridiculously impossible task of enumerating them.

EDIT: And we are creating the lie and destructive notion that all blacks are alike, all women are alike, etc.
 
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Do you homeschool your children and do you think you think it's a viable option for other families?

No, but I've encountered some home schooled students who were very well educated. A few who were not. So, it's a viable option.
 
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I have never seen anyone who went to school and came out with those kinds of problems unless they had a mental disorder. I have seen lazy people, but not people who are simply unable to relate to adults at all.

I am not claiming this is a statistic. And it's entirely dependent on how one goes about homeschooling. My only point was how important point B) actually is. At least around here, it seems like these kids don't get much socialization. And in fact, some homeschool parents choose to do so for the express purpose of sheltering their children from the outside world.

I've seem plenty come out of public education with significant social problems and phobias. Maybe you're just allowing natural bias to skew perception.
 
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I do not believe in home-schooling but in the US the situation might be a bit different than here in the Netherlands. Here in the Netherlands I am happy with the policy of not allowing home-schooling, we have mandatory school attendance for everyone until the age of 18. If people do not send their children to school they will have the truancy officer contacting them and if that does not help they will have to go to court for their truant children.
 
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As to school shootings, our high school, Arapahoe High School, had a school shooting in December 2013. I learned about the shooting as it was in progress (before it was on the news and before we learned that "only" one person had been shot). The thought did not escape me that save for our decision to home school, my daughter would be there day and I would be panicked In fact, the one girl that was shot and killed was a very good friend of a girl that lives across the street.... my hair turned grayer that day.

So, so scary. Colorado has had some pretty bad luck over the last few years.
 
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Okay, so name a single way in which a non-scientific layperson is going to be objectively harmed by being taught one version of creation over another.

It harms their ability to think critically and rationally about the world around them. Studies show that the religious are much more likely to follow other forms of woo beliefs and be taken in by shysters. Once you allow in one bit of mind poison, you're much more likely to do the same with others.
 
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It harms their ability to think critically and rationally about the world around them. Studies show that the religious are much more likely to follow other forms of woo beliefs and be taken in by shysters. Once you allow in one bit of mind poison, you're much more likely to do the same with others.

Proof?
 
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I do think your opinion matters because this is an interesting topic and with the exception of some who posted in her to get their digs in at the religious folks who homeschool, it's interesting ot read the opinions.. I'm not posting in here because I'm asking for people to validate what my husband & I decide, which was send our kids to public schools, was the right choice.

Can you define "diversity" in the public schools or not?

Yes, people from various backgrounds = diversity.
 
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Yes, people from various backgrounds = diversity.

Various backgrounds? Do you think people of varoius backgrounds can only be found in public schools?

And by background, what do you mean? Country of ancestry? Economic? Societal? Location? Breastfed versus bottle fed? Religious?
 
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Homeschooled children can see people from diverse backgrounds in the supermarket, on a sports team, on the television, in their church, at Boy Scouts......diversity is everywhere.
 
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