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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Some piece of knowledge being ultimately peripheral in importance and that same knowledge being specifically quashed has very different ends...and different consequences. Learning the 50 states only to visit fourteen of them vs. being deliberately told that there are no 49 other states so as not to contradict the idea that one's own state is the only one are completely different things.
    Okay, so again. Apart from the ideological aspects of the thing, what is really the harm?

    It's not like the parent's can keep these kinds of things from the forever. For that matter, it's not like there aren't traditional schools that neglect to teach evolution either.

    You're basically just trading one creation story of "peripheral importance" to a person's life for another.

    I disagree. When the attempt to constrict a person's knowledge of the world (universe) is deliberate and ideological in origin that is harmful.
    I would be more inclined to agree with you if this wasn't already something that even secular, state-funded education attempted to do on a routine basis.

    Heh. Next time I run into a homeschooler who proudly uses all of the who's who of logical fallacies I'll let you know and you tell me.
    Works for me.

    I'm sure there's some pretty stupid crap out there. As I said before, there are legitimately bad school systems even here in California, the details of which were frankly shocking to a good, freshly scrubbed New Englander like myself. And while that is often the pretext for homeschooling, the homeschoolers I myself encounter are almost invariably of the religious, ideological type.
    I'm not going to deny that it is a lifestyle which tends to attract people of a particular political lean.

    I'm simply saying that I don't really see the harm in that fact. Our public educational system is already heavily ideological.

    Actually I'm not familiar with that person, at least not so that I'd automatically know who you're referring to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, there is a problem with that. Education is supposed to be about teaching facts, not someone's wingnut, asinine religious beliefs. We do children a disservice when we allow them to have their heads stuffed with religious nonsense.
    Okay, so name a single way in which a non-scientific layperson is going to be objectively harmed by being taught one version of creation over another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh, there are some whopping morons too. Some kids who are "homeschooled" are left to their own devices and told to sit unsupervised in front of a computer and just learn.Also, the progressive version is called "unschooling". These kids have liberal parents who think that taking their kids on roller coasters is a physics lesson, or shooting pool teaches you geometry. Needless to say, they're idiots.
    Ugh. Yea... I've met a couple of those. Things generally didn't end well for them.

    My first girlfriend had fruit-loopy Liberal "compassionate" Catholic parents. They "unschooled" her, focusing on art history, music, and foreign languages while ignoring academic fundamentals almost completely.

    After bombing her SAT, she ran away from home, got knocked up, and wound up as a single mother after her live-in boyfriend left her high and dry. I think she's finally found a guy to settle down with now (after running through six or seven others and having another kid), but the whole situation is still a damn train wreck.

    Her younger brother's got a much better head on his shoulders, but he's pretty limited in his job prospects due to his lack of a college education. Last I heard, he was making 25K a year as an engraver at a downtown Charleston jewelry shop.

    I'm not opposed to Homeschooling at all, but I definitely think that there need to be at least a few regulations on it.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't believe that many parents are even interested in home-schooling, unless they are either qualified, or planning to put their children into a home-schooling environment where the individuals who are teaching, ARE qualified. All the home-schooling parents that I know are very interested in making sure their children are getting an education which is superior to what the public schools are providing.
    I know of those who homeschool that have been very successful at it but I also know of others that were not and ultimately their children ended up going to public school where they were years behind and it has been a trial for the children to catch up. Not all parents are created equal.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    In a lot of instances, the parents really don't have to do anything, except just make sure that the child is at the computer, doing his or her work, every morning. The private school that covered my daughter took care of absolutely everything. It was all online, and all I had to do is make sure she was up, and working. They took care of everything, including grading and keeping up with attendance. At the beginning of the next school year, when we decided to allow her to go back to public school, they sent her transcript and it was a very smooth transition.

    I am sure that not all schools work this way. A friend of mine is homeschooling her children, and she actually has to teach them, keep up with attendance and everything else. Hers was much more labor intensive. Mine was gravy. But I paid for mine - I think hers is free. That could be the difference.
    Here in Ohio, we have several means of school choices offered to parents. It is working out very well. We now have the computer online classes. Many of the schools focus on different learning disabilities with new innovative ways of teaching. We are seeing great success especially with students that often fall through the cracks because the public schools are set up with cookie cutter type teaching methods that do not meet the needs of these students.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I know of those who homeschool that have been very successful at it but I also know of others that were not and ultimately their children ended up going to public school where they were years behind and it has been a trial for the children to catch up. Not all parents are created equal.
    Well, I realize we are just comparing personal anecdotal experiences here, but I have never once seen a home-schooled child who was falling behind, and in fact, they are normally far ahead of their same-age peers.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, I realize we are just comparing personal anecdotal experiences here, but I have never once seen a home-schooled child who was falling behind, and in fact, they are normally far ahead of their same-age peers.
    We weren't always "on schedule" according to the curriculum my mother made up. That actually did worry me a bit when I was younger, to be honest.

    However, when I actually got to college, it turned out that pretty much everyone else was so ludicrously far behind the curve that it didn't really even matter.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, I realize we are just comparing personal anecdotal experiences here, but I have never once seen a home-schooled child who was falling behind, and in fact, they are normally far ahead of their same-age peers.
    I agree, many of them excel far beyond what others in the public schools achieve. But I also know those who had no business taking on the task of teaching their own children because they were not disciplined to do so and ended up to be a disaster. This wasn't some computer program where your child virtually attends class but where the parent was responsible for providing and executing the curriculum.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    We weren't always "on schedule" according to the curriculum my mother made up. That actually did worry me a bit when I was younger, to be honest.

    However, when I actually did get to college, it turned out that pretty much everyone else was so ludicrously far behind the curve that it didn't really even matter.
    I guess all my friends must have exceptional children.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Since no one on the left will bite, I'll give it a go from a conservative viewpoint that had his kids in public school.

    It depends, like most anything else about public schools, on the teacher.

    My kids had a number of teachers that enforced critical thinking skills. To the dismay of many a student and their parents, I might add. One in particular was an AP English teacher in the 11th grade that gave a novel a week to the kids to read and write a 1000 word essay on by Friday. And he didn't shy away from the good ones either; like Uncle Tom's Cabin, and other writings that helped shape our culture. He required them to dissect the book from two differing viewpoints (protagonist and antagonist), and explain in detail the motivations behind each character from a sociological and societal standpoint of the time within the novel and then against today's "accepted norm." Note - this teacher was not a liberal, although the others that instilled critical thinking skills were. This guy would hammer the kids to make them explain their conclusions and why they came to those conclusions. This invariably would get into personal beliefs and prejudiced ideological viewpoints that were instilled in the kids by their parents, society and the media (hence the pissed off parents). Within weeks, the kids as well as the parents hated him - I was one of them (at first). However, by the end of the year, the kids loved him. He taught them how to think for themselves. How to not take any position, no matter how much it was approved or accepted by society, as correct. He showed them how that they themselves must take the available information, evaluate their own views against the information available and render a conclusion or view based on that evaluation. The key being that they had to defend their position and many a heated debate occurred. I was privileged toward the end of the year to be invited to attend one of the debates on a Friday with another parent (a progressive) on the other side. This time though, the kids ran the debate, and asked the questions. I learned very quickly that the kids in that particular class had had their brains opened and turned on by this guy. And if your wondering, both me and the progressive guy took our share of bruises during the affair. It was great.

    Maybe this answers your question, maybe not. At least I stepped up though.
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    No, you are right, it is situational. I was being a bit facetious with that comment. I think on whole, the quality of our public education has taken a nose dive. There are good places and good teachers, but it's not universal enough across the whole. I wouldn't end public education, though I wouldn't end homeschooling either. I think both can be legitimate. We do have problems with our public schools, most notably how we fund them, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Do you homeschool your children and do you think you think it's a viable option for other families?
    Yes and Yes. Home schooling puts the onus to develop good work habits and study hours on the students as their own responsibility. You instill in them the desire to learn and explain that is what their job is in the family. Avoid the general public curriculum like the Bubonic Plague and accelerate the student at every opportunity. My youngest daughter is 17, and been home-schooled since first grade. She is now getting her Associate's Degree in business and will get her Bachelor's in two more years when she is 19. College is online now and the students who's curriculum was online in High School progress naturally into the College methodology. They are also able to get a Degreee without school loans by doing it online from home. She will have to use loans for her Graduate degrees as she plans to go to Veterinary school. I highly recommend home schooling but rememger, you operate under the auspices of your home school district and you are in competition with them, so don't expect much cooperation. My daughter took her SATs (her scores were equal to the seniors in the home district) when she was 14, but still the home school district would not write the letter that would have allowed her to begin college at 14 years of age. The district finally relented after two years of stalling.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Okay, so again. Apart from the ideological aspects of the thing, what is really the harm?

    It's not like the parent's can keep these kinds of things from the forever. For that matter, it's not like there aren't traditional schools that neglect to teach evolution either.

    You're basically just trading one creation story of "peripheral importance" to a person's life for another.



    I would be more inclined to agree with you if this wasn't already something that even secular, state-funded education attempted to do on a routine basis.



    Works for me.



    I'm not going to deny that it is a lifestyle which tends to attract people of a particular political lean.

    I'm simply saying that I don't really see the harm in that fact. Our public educational system is already heavily ideological.



    He has a red avatar.



    Okay, so name a single way in which a non-scientific layperson is going to be objectively harmed by being taught one version of creation over another.



    Ugh. Yea... I've met a couple of those. Things generally didn't end well for them.

    My first girlfriend had fruit-loopy Liberal "compassionate" Catholic parents. They "unschooled" her, focusing on art history, music, and foreign languages while ignoring academic fundamentals almost completely.

    After bombing her SAT, she ran away from home, got knocked up, and wound up as a single mother after her live-in boyfriend left her high and dry. I think she's finally found a guy to settle down with now (after running through six or seven others and having another kid), but the whole situation is still a damn train wreck.

    Her younger brother's got a much better head on his shoulders, but he's pretty limited in his job prospects due to his lack of a college education. Last I heard, he was making 25K a year as an engraver at a downtown Charleston jewelry shop.

    I'm not opposed to Homeschooling at all, but I definitely think that there need to be at least a few regulations on it.
    What value did your education in Ancient Roman history have? Why do you talk about it here and again on this forum? Do you expect to be commanding any centurions soon? Are you biding your time until you're able to rule over the Mediterranean and have an affair with an Egyptian queen? Would you be happy if I were to use my Mind Wiping Device (just made it yesterday) on you and remove everything you know about Ancient Rome?

    See, you're talking to an artist here. I'm more aware than anybody that what I make has no concrete value. Hell, my life can practically be defined by its affair with uselessness -- I spent four years learning Latin, after all. Oscar Wilde, a guy who had more of a love/hate relationship with artists than anyone I know, said, "We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless." Ouch...but true. Is it acceptable to then say that we should tolerate the quashing of art as it is useless? What is really the harm?

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