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  • Yes, I homeschool

    6 8.22%
  • No, I don't homeschool

    24 32.88%
  • Yes, it's a viable option

    49 67.12%
  • No, it's a dumb idea

    15 20.55%
  • I don't care

    7 9.59%
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    Re: Homeschooling

    I have not responded to the poll because, with respect, the options tend to be too absolute (such as thinking homeschooling is dumb). Home schooling is not popular in either the UK or Australia, but I have met one person who was home schooled, and while 'a single swallow does not a summer make', he was not a good advertisement for the system. I will qualify this by pointing out that he was part of a fundamentalist religious sect, so I doubt he was representative of the breed.

    I have two problems with coming to any definitive view on homeschooling. The first being that I went to Public School (note the capitalisation - it means something different in the UK from what it means in the USA). The teachers were very highly qualified (few did not hold a doctorate in the discipline they taught) and by and large, both proficient and unbiased. (My school has the highest academic record in the UK - and has had for a couple of hundred years.) I was not therefore aware of the 'political agenda' - liberal or otherwise - of the education system to which I was subjected. I was aware of having available to me a master in whatever discipline I was studying, and to whom I could refer (outside class) with any issues therein which troubled me.

    The second problem flows on from the first, inasmuch as I consider the cumulative effect of so many highly qualified teachers in all disciples to be difficult to replicate in the average well-educated household consisting of two adults, whose economic responsibilities might preclude them spending all day educating their children (assuming they are adequately qualified to do so right up to university entrance level).

    I can see why the religiously fundamental might want to shield their children from what they see as overly secular influences, but I can also see why the German state has made public education mandatory. It is my view that parents should not have sole responsibility (and carte blanche) as to how their children are informed about the world in which they must live. A very wise man once wrote - "Your children come through you, not from you ..." We are not the property of our parents to indoctrinate as they wish.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm confused. Based on everything I've already said, why do you think I'm more inclined to give them a free pass?
    How do you feel about Women's Colleges and Historically Black Colleges?

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I have not responded to the poll because, with respect, the options tend to be too absolute (such as thinking homeschooling is dumb). Home schooling is not popular in either the UK or Australia, but I have met one person who was home schooled, and while 'a single swallow does not a summer make', he was not a good advertisement for the system. I will qualify this by pointing out that he was part of a fundamentalist religious sect, so I doubt he was representative of the breed.

    I have two problems with coming to any definitive view on homeschooling. The first being that I went to Public School (note the capitalisation - it means something different in the UK from what it means in the USA). The teachers were very highly qualified (few did not hold a doctorate in the discipline they taught) and by and large, both proficient and unbiased. (My school has the highest academic record in the UK - and has had for a couple of hundred years.) I was not therefore aware of the 'political agenda' - liberal or otherwise - of the education system to which I was subjected. I was aware of having available to me a master in whatever discipline I was studying, and to whom I could refer (outside class) with any issues therein which troubled me.

    The second problem flows on from the first, inasmuch as I consider the cumulative effect of so many highly qualified teachers in all disciples to be difficult to replicate in the average well-educated household consisting of two adults, whose economic responsibilities might preclude them spending all day educating their children (assuming they are adequately qualified to do so right up to university entrance level).

    I can see why the religiously fundamental might want to shield their children from what they see as overly secular influences, but I can also see why the German state has made public education mandatory. It is my view that parents should not have sole responsibility (and carte blanche) as to how their children are informed about the world in which they must live. A very wise man once wrote - "Your children come through you, not from you ..." We are not the property of our parents to indoctrinate as they wish.
    If you believe that you, as a voter, have the right to exert your opinion on how I, a parent, educate my child, then doesn't this privilege also come with a responsibility? Can the parents send you a bill for a portion of their home, a portion of their food budget, a portion of their clothing expenses, and for all of the other costs that they incur in raising their children?

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I am asking you - you seem to have issue with Christian-based lesson plans, so I just want to know if you feel the same way about others? Just curious. Don't get your knickers in a twist. Because it seems that a lot of people have problems with allowing Christians to do something, but when it comes to other religious groups, it's OK.
    The Christian example is the one I focused on because I live in the United States, we have mostly American members, and Christians are the majority religion. It would not surprise me in the least if you told me that Greek Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish or Zoroastrian families were doing the same things with the same negative consequences.

    And my knickers aren't in a twist. My middle name is Cucumber, as in "cool as a."
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The Christian example is the one I focused on because I live in the United States, we have mostly American members, and Christians are the majority religion. It would not surprise me in the least if you told me that Greek Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish or Zoroastrian families were doing the same things with the same negative consequences.

    And my knickers aren't in a twist. My middle name is Cucumber, and in "cool as a."
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I have not responded to the poll because, with respect, the options tend to be too absolute (such as thinking homeschooling is dumb). Home schooling is not popular in either the UK or Australia, but I have met one person who was home schooled, and while 'a single swallow does not a summer make', he was not a good advertisement for the system. I will qualify this by pointing out that he was part of a fundamentalist religious sect, so I doubt he was representative of the breed.

    I have two problems with coming to any definitive view on homeschooling. The first being that I went to Public School (note the capitalisation - it means something different in the UK from what it means in the USA). The teachers were very highly qualified (few did not hold a doctorate in the discipline they taught) and by and large, both proficient and unbiased. (My school has the highest academic record in the UK - and has had for a couple of hundred years.) I was not therefore aware of the 'political agenda' - liberal or otherwise - of the education system to which I was subjected. I was aware of having available to me a master in whatever discipline I was studying, and to whom I could refer (outside class) with any issues therein which troubled me.

    The second problem flows on from the first, inasmuch as I consider the cumulative effect of so many highly qualified teachers in all disciples to be difficult to replicate in the average well-educated household consisting of two adults, whose economic responsibilities might preclude them spending all day educating their children (assuming they are adequately qualified to do so right up to university entrance level).

    I can see why the religiously fundamental might want to shield their children from what they see as overly secular influences, but I can also see why the German state has made public education mandatory. It is my view that parents should not have sole responsibility (and carte blanche) as to how their children are informed about the world in which they must live. A very wise man once wrote - "Your children come through you, not from you ..." We are not the property of our parents to indoctrinate as they wish.
    Wish they'd change that stupid line I encounter every so often.

    It shouldn't be "those that can't do, teach".

    It should be "Those that can't teach, do".

    Or something like that.

    Because really, teaching the stuff you learned requires additional skill and/or training over and above your area of learning.
    Education.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The Christian example is the one I focused on because I live in the United States, we have mostly American members, and Christians are the majority religion. It would not surprise me in the least if you told me that Greek Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish or Zoroastrian families were doing the same things with the same negative consequences.

    And my knickers aren't in a twist. My middle name is Cucumber, as in "cool as a."
    We've interacted on this forum a few times so I'm guessing that you had some rough impression of some of my positions. Perhaps you're aware that I'm an Atheist. I bring this up because I want to ask you a question. If I assured you that I would not introduce any theological issues into a school curriculum would you, assume you have the authority, grant me a free hand to design a national school curriculum for children?

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    We've interacted on this forum a few times so I'm guessing that you had some rough impression of some of my positions. Perhaps you're aware that I'm an Atheist. I bring this up because I want to ask you a question. If I assured you that I would not introduce any theological issues into a school curriculum would you, assume you have the authority, grant me a free hand to design a national school curriculum for children?
    No. It's all very well and good that you're an atheist, but there are other things about you that make me decidedly nervous about putting you in charge of any curriculum.

    You asked.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No. It's all very well and good that you're an atheist, but there are other things about you that make me decidedly nervous about putting you in charge of any curriculum.

    You asked.
    Precisely so. (I knew the answer, which is why I asked the question.)

    There are people on the other side of the intellectual divide who feel the same about what is taking place in schools these days, including the religious. So why do you believe so strongly that your viewpoint should be imposed on all young children when you're not willing to allow me to impose my viewpoint on all young children?

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Precisely so. (I knew the answer, which is why I asked the question.)

    There are people on the other side of the intellectual divide who feel the same about what is taking place in schools these days, including the religious. So why do you believe so strongly that your viewpoint should be imposed on all young children when you're not willing to allow me to impose my viewpoint on all young children?
    I've gone into this already throughout the thread. Your ideology being secular rather than theological doesn't change my position (or my explanations).

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