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  • Yes, I homeschool

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  • No, I don't homeschool

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  • Yes, it's a viable option

    49 67.12%
  • No, it's a dumb idea

    15 20.55%
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    I don't believe that having various genders, sexual orientations, races, Hispanic, Korean, etc. will help someone learn French. A native speaking French person might.
    You brought up the concept of "helping" into the ordeal of education. Whether those may or may not help is a different issue.

    My issue is that multiple perspectives should be shared in class so as to expose students to the real world. Not to a bubble made of similarly minded peers for that may bring group-think, freeze thing, and other unwanted psycho-social problems later.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Not if you believe that my opinion here should matter to you on a personal level. I think you should do whatever you think is right to your kids. You are the mother and have the full right to do so.

    On a general sense though, as mentioned above, students should be exposed to multiple perspectives and get a taste of the real world out there. Closing them in a bubble of homeschooling may not do it.
    I do think your opinion matters because this is an interesting topic and with the exception of some who posted in her to get their digs in at the religious folks who homeschool, it's interesting ot read the opinions.. I'm not posting in here because I'm asking for people to validate what my husband & I decide, which was send our kids to public schools, was the right choice.

    Can you define "diversity" in the public schools or not?

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    Re: Homeschooling

    I must say that I enjoyed the outright stupidity of the far left on here. Seems like they're the ones who needed homeschooling the most.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    We don't homeschool our kids, however we did consider it. I don't like public schools for the most part but there is a certain social aspect that I think is beneficial to children in their lives and development.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Near as I can figure, for most people, "socialization" can mean either one of two things with regard to children.

    A) That they learn to behave like everyone else around them so that they "fit in" with society at large and its prevailing social mores.

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    B) That they learn to easily interact with everyone else, so that they are not social outcasts.

    I think position B) has at least some merit, but position A) is nothing less than complete authoritarian nonsense.
    I think position B) has an incredible amount of merit, and homeschoolers usually don't learn it. That's not to say they can't, if the parents make a sufficient effort to do it, but the vast majority don't. The fact is that the degree of socialization you get in school is hard to replace when just one or two people are trying to cart you around by themselves.

    I know two homeschooled people well.

    One believes homeschooling actually ruined her life for this reason. She had to spend years in therapy and re-socializing herself to function at any kind of adult level, which she didn't achieve until her late 20's.

    The other guy I know is now in his 30's, and is so poorly socialized that he is perpetually moving down the age bracket in his friendships and relationships. They are all in the 17 to 22 range, and they all drop him once they get older than that because he is so immature and so poor at communication. He even dresses like a teenager. He's frozen in a place most of us grew out of in mid-high school, and he does attribute this to homeschooling, although he has little desire to change it, it seems.

    Again, is it possible to cover B) while homeschooling? Sure. But it seems to be that very few people do.

    And for my two cents? As an eccentric who seems to be affected by the injustice of how some treat others and the world the way most people are affected by a physical whipping, I don't think I ever would have been able to function at all if I had not been constantly dealing with socialization all through my childhood. I hated most of it, but there's no way I could have dealt with adulthood if I hadn't been practicing every single day when the stakes were low and I always had a place to retreat.

    I agree with you A) is bull****, and most schools encourage A). That's where the parents come in. I essentially went to two schools: normal school, which was mostly just to socialize me and make sure I knew the basics of bureaucracy. And then whatever my dad could manage afterwards -- my deeper forms of knowledge, and how to resist A).

    So normal school is certainly not a perfect solution -- it can be damaging in its own right. But, presumably, whoever would have been the homeschool teacher stays home, so they can afford to do this. My dad worked. I have no idea how he pulled it off.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think position B) has an incredible amount of merit, and homeschoolers usually don't learn it. That's not to say they can't, if the parents make a sufficient effort to do it, but the vast majority don't. The fact is that the degree of socialization you get in school is hard to replace when just one or two people are trying to cart you around by themselves.

    I know two homeschooled people well.

    One believes homeschooling actually ruined her life for this reason. She had to spend years in therapy and re-socializing herself to function at any kind of adult level, which she didn't achieve until her late 20's.

    The other guy I know is now in his 30's, and is so poorly socialized that he is perpetually moving down the age bracket in his friendships and relationships. They are all in the 17 to 22 range, and they all drop him once they get older than that because he is so immature and so poor at communication. He even dresses like a teenager. He's frozen in a place most of us grew out of in mid-high school, and he does attribute this to homeschooling, although he has little desire to change it, it seems.

    Again, is it possible to cover B) while homeschooling? Sure. But it seems to be that very few people do.

    And for my two cents? As an eccentric who seems to be affected by the injustice of how some treat others and the world the way most people are affected by a physical whipping, I don't think I ever would have been able to function at all if I had not been constantly dealing with socialization all through my childhood. I hated most of it, but there's no way I could have dealt with adulthood if I hadn't been practicing every single day when the stakes were low and I always had a place to retreat.

    I agree with you A) is bull****, and most schools encourage A). That's where the parents come in. I essentially went to two schools: normal school, which was mostly just to socialize me and make sure I knew the basics of bureaucracy. And then whatever my dad could manage afterwards -- my deeper forms of knowledge, and how to resist A).

    So normal school is certainly not a perfect solution -- it can be damaging in its own right. But, presumably, whoever would have been the homeschool teacher stays home, so they can afford to do this. My dad worked. I have no idea how he pulled it off.
    None of that requires homeschooling, people who went to public schools can and do have those very same problems. Your problem is with statistics and proper data set size. You only have two data points, you cannot actually quantify the entire system off of two points.
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    Re: Homeschooling

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    My kids all take a foreign language. Two take French, one takes German (and also Latin if we consider that dead language a foreign one). All are and have been taught by Americans. My kids are learning through study and practice at home, and with my help as I studied for a year in Vienna so I still speak some basic German, and I studied French for 8 years. They all excel in their classes. And you're right, I don't have to import any people of other race or sexual orientation into our home at homework time to have them learn these languages.
    Good for them. Off subject but I have cousins born and raised in Chile, Swiss national father, American mother. Educated at a private school for Swiss nationals in Santiago. Taught in French and German. Learn some Italian. Spoke English at home and Spanish, of course, in the neighborhood. All are extremely intelligent and I suspect the early language training had a lot to do with that.

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    Re: Homeschooling

    It's a myth that the majority of homeschoolers are cloistered, cut off from "normal socializing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Good for them. Off subject but I have cousins born and raised in Chile, Swiss national father, American mother. Educated at a private school for Swiss nationals in Santiago. Taught in French and German. Learn some Italian. Spoke English at home and Spanish, of course, in the neighborhood. All are extremely intelligent and I suspect the early language training had a lot to do with that.
    What an exceptional opportunity for them. I wish I had kept my edge on what I learned in my younger years in foreign language. After a year of immersion in Austria, I could speak German quite well. Your cousins are being exposed to so many languages and if they keep them up, they will be very marketable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    None of that requires homeschooling, people who went to public schools can and do have those very same problems. Your problem is with statistics and proper data set size. You only have two data points, you cannot actually quantify the entire system off of two points.
    I have never seen anyone who went to school and came out with those kinds of problems unless they had a mental disorder. I have seen lazy people, but not people who are simply unable to relate to adults at all.

    I am not claiming this is a statistic. And it's entirely dependent on how one goes about homeschooling. My only point was how important point B) actually is. At least around here, it seems like these kids don't get much socialization. And in fact, some homeschool parents choose to do so for the express purpose of sheltering their children from the outside world.

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