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Thread: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    how was it out of context........
    Many people thought he meant retirees, disabled (truly disabled), disabled vets and those type of people. And it was framed that way by the left many times.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You would have to ask him, he wasn't talking about taking money from vets, children, needed social programs. He was talking about the people who WONT work vs people that will not work.
    won't is a contraction of will not............

    What he was ham handedly trying to say was that 47% of the people pay no taxes and thus wouldn't vote for him because they don't want to work.

    HE basically called a bunch of people lazy so while I think he would have lost anyway it didn't help.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Hey CJ

    I can actually understand the point he may have "intended" to make; that those voters are out of reach to him. IMO his embellishments state clearly what he thinks of those individuals and that's the part I have a problem with. I would be just as condemning of any politician regardless of party if I thought something they said like this was more than just a clumsy way of stating an opinion but an accurate reflection of how they feel about a group of people.
    That's fair - the comments were, in my view, meant to be contemptuous in a way that prodded people who oppose that type of government dependency, reliant upon their tax dollars, to get out an vote for the other side of the argument. It's not a bad message, considering the financial condition of government in general.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    won't is a contraction of will not............

    What he was ham handedly trying to say was that 47% of the people pay no taxes and thus wouldn't vote for him because they don't want to work.

    HE basically called a bunch of people lazy so while I think he would have lost anyway it didn't help.
    For the third time, he never said that 47% of the people don't work.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    won't is a contraction of will not............

    What he was ham handedly trying to say was that 47% of the people pay no taxes and thus wouldn't vote for him because they don't want to work.

    HE basically called a bunch of people lazy so while I think he would have lost anyway it didn't help.
    Actually, Romney said that 47% of people don't pay income taxes so his message related to lowering income taxes is of no appeal to them.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair - the comments were, in my view, meant to be contemptuous in a way that prodded people who oppose that type of government dependency, reliant upon their tax dollars, to get out an vote for the other side of the argument. It's not a bad message, considering the financial condition of government in general.
    I agree it was his intent however I think it would be dangerous to have president who catered to that kind of thinking. Also, I don't think that people on public assistance is the reason for the financial condition of the government.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Classic example of people looking to get offended.
    The real gaffe of the "binders full of women" comment was that it was a list of women who had good qualifications that was presented to him. Romney never asked for said list but he tried to take credit for compiling said list.

    Just like what happened with the 1984 Olympics, Romney was caught trying to take credit for other people's work.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Romney never said that 47% of Americans don't work.
    no he said:

    "there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."


    So can you explain to me what the bolded pieces mean.

    The last line suggests they take no responsibility what do you think he meant?

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I agree it was his intent however I think it would be dangerous to have president who catered to that kind of thinking. Also, I don't think that people on public assistance is the reason for the financial condition of the government.
    Correct - people on public assistance isn't the reason for the financial condition of the goverment - politicians who pander to them and encourage dependence upon public assistance is the main reason for the financial condition of the government. When you have politicians ignoring fixes to the economy and doing the hard lifting and instead playing up increases in unemployment eligibility, increases in food stamp distribution, resisting fixes to the social safety net and instead giving taxpayers a "holiday" from their commitment to those programs, you create a society that becomes increasingly unwilling to do what's necessary to get the country back on sustainable financial ground.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    I agree with what Romney said about the 47%. Doesn't mean I would vote for him. Just saying that, what he said, in the context he was saying it in, had merit.

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