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Thread: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I was listening to a liberal radio talk show host and he made a statement that I'm not sure I believe. He said President Obama was losing until the video surfaced. What do you say?
    Romney was in the lead, at the time, although marginally, and many questioned a lot of the polls in the battleground states that had him ahead.

    Politics is a very funny game and the electorate isn't stable. We just had a provincial election here in Quebec, where the party in government was well in front when the election was called and seemed to be coasting to a big victory. Then, a high profile candidate was picked in one of their ridings and he brought up the issue of separation and everything else was forgotten - the rest of the campaign was driven by media and the other parties claiming there was a secret agenda to have another referendum on separation. All the federal parties kept quiet and the Quebec government ended up on their own and they got slaughtered in the polls. It's highly unlikely that separation would have been an issue for the government after the election, but those brief statements allowed the opposition and the media to play it as if armaggedon was about to return.

    The political graveyard is littered with the bodies of highly competent, intelligent individuals who've been buried by their own words, usually words simply uttered in passing.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont think Romney would have gotten elected no matter what, now. At the time I was watching Faux and thought sure he had won. I dont think that 47% would have voted for him anyway.
    That's what I was going to say. Got ninja'd by mak2.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    What really lost Romney the election was the poor performance in the 3rd debate.

    The 47% remark was a gaffe combined with extreme rhetoric. The 47% was really meant to be the support that anyone with a D would get in a general election contest. Then he described those people as those who support a system where a large part pay no federal income taxes. He was just basically saying that his message was for the undecided voters and did it in the most inarticulate way possible

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    That was his point, that the 47% he was referring to. Was not going to vote for him anyway.
    That kind of comment can make someone vote for your opponent.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    His tone is exactly a reflection of mine. I knew what he was talking about. I also have no use for people that wont work.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh, please. It was not policy talk, it was CAMPAIGN talk. That's the context being removed to promote outrage among those blinded by partisanship and being taken advantage of with talking points.

    Obama could say ~"we're not getting many Southern Baptist votes, so let's concentrate on liberals". Would you also find him "dripping with contempt".
    Depends on how he said it, doesn't it? If he said "Those stupid Baptist sons-of-bitches aren't going to vote for us anyway," that would be. Of course I didn't vote for him either, so....

    Mitt started with this:

    "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him"

    OK. That makes sense. But he didn't stop did he?

    "there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

    So, he basically said that half of the country are "dependent victims" and he wouldn't "worry about those people." His words, not mine.
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    I would call that dripping with contempt.


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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Rocket, he was referring to campaigning and not policy. That's the context being dropped. Stop being a sucker for context drops.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    It hurt, because it was taken totally out of context.
    The only time I recall Romney with a real lead in the polls was after the first debate.

    I do not recall him leading when the video was released; nor do I believe that it 'cost' him the election; it did however help insure the Democrat vote got to the polls as it, out of context or not, confirmed the demonizing; the Democrats have always been very good at using fear to motivate.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He said that people would vote for Obama because they play victims, and think they're entitled to healthcare, and food, and housing, and other stuff. He was right about that. I don't know if it's 47% of Americans, but there are a large number that feel that way and voted for Obama because of it.
    How in the world could you possible claim to know such a thing?
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    It hurt, because it was taken totally out of context.
    It wasn't taken out of context at all. What are you talking about? What it did, however, was give the American people a glimpse of the man at his core. And American's didn't like what they saw. Romney was and still is a man who does not have a clue what average every day Americans have to deal with on a daily basis. It was his complete out of touch with the people of this country that cost Romney the election.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He meant that there was no chance of garnering many of those votes and so the campaign should not pander to them.

    He did not mean "screw them". It was just a talk about campaign strategy.

    It's no different than Obama saying ~"we're not gonna get many conservative votes, so let's concentrate our efforts on the liberals".
    I'm sorry but I think you are referring to the revised version of what he said. This is what he claims he "meant". But if you check the transcript

    “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...


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