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Thread: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You just described Mitt Romney.
    nothing like Gary Johnson, even tho both were elected as republicans in blue states. don't think romney was very popular. Johnson certainly was
    didn't trust romney so much - probably because i could not stand his wife

    would smoke a joint with Johnson, couldn't even have a coca cola with romney
    think there needs to be a human-ness in a successful candidate. the shrub had it. uncle jimmy doesn't and ford did ... only time i can recall when it did not determine a presidential election. reagan did. bill clinton has it in spades. hillary doesn't. romney doesn't either. gore doesn't. kerry is a drone. Obama has only a touch of it, like george the first. wonder if Condi and Elizabeth Warren have it - hope so
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Gary Johnson isn't anything like that. For example, he doesn't believe we should do away with public education, but is a supporter of vouchers thinking it will help increase school choice. A libertarian like myself is against school vouchers as it expands the domain of the state and furthers their hold on education. In fact, I would argue that it lowers school choice instead of expands it as it gives them an excuse to further control private schools.
    Just because he doesn't want to get rid of public education doesn't mean his fiscal plans aren't extreme. cutting the budget 43%, that means huge cuts to SS and Medicare which are hugely unpopular to moderates. Not to mention his insane tax plan which is completely incomprehensible and unworkable. Also it leaves the question if the budget of education is cut by 43% and the dept of education is gone there will be very little public education to speak of. So no Johnson doesn't want to get rid of public education he just want to create a system where public education can't exist... huge difference

    Also Gary Johnson is an extreme social liberal, that doesn't play very well in the middle who can settle for things like gay marriage/civil unions but are pretty hard against drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    nothing like Gary Johnson, even tho both were elected as republicans in blue states. don't think romney was very popular. Johnson certainly was
    didn't trust romney so much - probably because i could not stand his wife

    would smoke a joint with Johnson, couldn't even have a coca cola with romney
    think there needs to be a human-ness in a successful candidate. the shrub had it. uncle jimmy doesn't and ford did ... only time i can recall when it did not determine a presidential election. reagan did. bill clinton has it in spades. hillary doesn't. romney doesn't either. gore doesn't. kerry is a drone. Obama has only a touch of it, like george the first. wonder if Condi and Elizabeth Warren have it - hope so
    Gary Johnson's approval rating dropped down to 35% when he wouldn't shut up about legalizing pot.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the question was properly answered
    you responded to a different question, who would have been more electable
    but any of the three mentioned would have been better candidates ... especially Johnson. Johnson could have defeated Obama
    I call BS on that. No way Johnson was going to beat Obama



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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what was asked was not who was more electable but who would have been a better candidate
    and those three names would all have been better candidates
    And they all would have gotten throttled in the GE.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Good candidates have the ability to win elections. None of those 3 had that.
    Romney didn't have that quality either hence why he lost. Republicans were forced to hold their nose and vote for Romney as he was repeatedly lambasted as not being genuine. Gary Johnson especially could have beaten Obama. You and the establishment Republicans focus so much on "electability" that you keep nominating plastic nominees who are fake. Then complain when your candidates get accused of flip flopping.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Romney didn't have that quality either hence why he lost. Republicans were forced to hold their nose and vote for Romney as he was repeatedly lambasted as not being genuine. Gary Johnson especially could have beaten Obama. You and the establishment Republicans focus so much on "electability" that you keep nominating plastic nominees who are fake. Then complain when your candidates get accused of flip flopping.
    Gary Johnson's chance of beating Obama was approximately zero point zero.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Gary Johnson's chance of beating Obama was approximately zero point zero.
    There's no way to know for sure and I'm in no mood to engage in the mental masturbation of arguing the point. Can't we all agree that Mittens was an asshole and a loser?
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    There's no way to know for sure and I'm in no mood to engage in the mental masturbation of arguing the point. Can't we all agree that Mittens was an asshole and a loser?
    Absolutely!
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    Fact. Last 6 POTUS Elections the GOP candidate got a slim majority of the votes in an election that should have been roll again / wide margin of victory for any sitting president (post 9/11 ... Oklahoma City saved Clinton's bacon ... 9/11 was on a whole other level.)

    Obama got an EC landslide, then did zip to fix the economy and in fact had economic numbers that spelled 100% certain doom for POTUS re-election, and Obama got a near EC landslide, losing only two con-leaning states that went for him back when Bush left office with the economy in ruin and "Republican" was politically toxic.

    In fact, funny thing about Bush 43. A mistake in the ballot design in Broward County FL got him and election he lost to Gore, by 1 EC vote. Then Osama bin Laden assured re-election, even if Jeff Dahmer was in the oval office, and with some brilliant Rove tactics, OH was won by a thread and an election that should have been and easy win barely eked by. In short, the White Libs/Minority assured win for Dems trend ain't new, it's been going on since Clinton, but some highly unusual anomalies clouded it with Bush appearing to win twice, when in reality he lost one and got a slim win on the second go in an election that should have been a whopper for any sitting pres thanks to ObL/9-11.

    Spin it. Cherry pick. Go hog wild, but until the GOP attracts minorities they'll never elect a candidate for POTUS nor control the Senate. I think that support the maxim that Bigotry hurts bigots the most. What price will the GOP pay in support of pinheaded losers who now wear crosses instead of burning them, and are the opposite of "christian?" (verb)

    And to think it's the party of Lincoln. Mind boggling.
    It is very true on the last 6 presidential elections, basically 4 Democratic huge wins and 2 squeakers for the GOP. But these things goes in cycles. The elections before those saw 1 Republican squeaker, 1968, 4 Republican huge wins, 72, 80, 84, 88 and one democratic squeaker, carter in 1976. Before that you had FDR and Truman winning 5 presidential elections in a row until Eisenhower broke that string.

    I think the Republican problems has been more of candidates than party that is in decline. Actually both political have been in decline for quite a while. I think within the next 8-10 years independents will outnumber those who identify with both major parties. That means independents, non-affiliates will be over 50% of the electorate.

    I think the Republicans realize two things, 1. they need to attract Hispanic voters since Hispanic's has become the largest minority voting block and is increasing in numbers/percentage of the electorate every year. 2. That no matter what they try, blacks will continue to be loyal to the Democratic Party, the party of FDR and will continue to cast 85-90% of their vote to the Democrats.

    Blacks after the civil war were extremely loyal to the Republicans and gave that party roughly the same percentage they are now giving the Democrats. FDR and the Great Depression changed their loyalties. Personally I would like to see the demise of both major parties, they both owe their heart and soul to big money donors, to corporations, lobbyist, special interest. But that is another topic for another day.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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