Very true, but what did he do to earn it?
what silly diversion. Mitt had top grades when he applied to Harvard, Obama was black and did not
Odd bit of information. Is there a connection I'm missing?
Yeah, Mitt got into Harvard because he was a top student, Obama got into Harvard mainly due to his color
Humm. Support that with valid sourcing.
Btw the only magical thing about Harvard is getting in. You can look up their grade inflation and how their actually education isn't quite as top as some believe.
But here, I'll settle for sound support.
we don't know what sort of grades Obama got at Occidental or Columbia-those are sealed and Obama won't let people see them
Normally, when one hides something its because the information hurts him. If Obama was a 4.0 Student at either school, its reasonable to believe we'd been shown the grades. At the Time Obama applied to Harvard, harvard gave black applicants huge breaks which allowed blacks with ok grades to be rated ahead of whites/Asians with high honors.
Obama did not make any kind of honors at Columbia. No one remembers much of him there.
Thats suposition and not support. So, you really can't support your cliam. Noted.
we can make a very good assertion that a guy with no honors who applied to a school that practiced massive affirmative action at the time was the beneficiary of affirmative action
No, we can't.
you cannot because it flies in the face of liberal dogma. I can because I deal with reality and the reality is-thousands of white men were rejected each year who had higher scores than Obama
Nonsense. You can't because there is nothing to support your claim. And scores are only a small part of any admission process. If you look closer, you'll find whites with lower scores got in. It is factually inaccurate that scores determine admission after the initial cut off.
we don't know what obama got. he is afraid to release his scores
the year I applied to yale law school, the most qualified black in terms of scores was lower than 1400 white and asian applicants who were rejected. The dean of the law school-Dean Thomas-a black-admitted that if Yale only admitted people based on scores, there would have been no african americans in the class
one prominent black law professor applied to Yale and harvard. he was accepted at one school and not the other. He called the school that rejected him and when they learned he was a black-recinded their rejection but he went to the other school and became a professor there
I realize you probably didn't go to a top school Boo but anyone who did and was playing the law school admissions game saw black students who had vastly inferior scores getting into places like Harvard or columbia or Cornell or Duke law schools ahead of far more qualified whites and Asians
BTW if blacks don't need affirmative action why did they fight so hard to keep that system at Michigan?
I believed the school fought for it.
Here, read this and get back to me
who was the respondent
and who filed amicus briefs on behalf of the racist affirmative action system
you can find out as I did
Note, the school is not the respondent (i.e. the side wanting affirmative action)
Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action : SCOTUSblog
Well, you get a point there. But don't think this settles what schools want.
I, along with others at the University of Michigan, made two decisions at this point. The first was that we would mount a full and comprehensive case supporting Justice Powell's constitutional thesis in Bakke - namely, that racial and ethnic diversity are critically important to a modern education for all students - and that we would show that our undergraduate and law school admissions practices were entirely consistent with that constitutional norm.
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The last myth is that this policy, well-intentioned and even important as it is, materially diminishes the likelihood of a white student being admitted, and is therefore unfair. This notion that enormous numbers of whites are being denied admission because of the preferential treatment of under-represented minorities is simply false. In fact, admissions policies such as Michigan's do not meaningfully affect a white student's chances of admission.
Seven Myths about Affirmative Action in Universities | Columbia University in the City of New York
of course some schools want the leeway to admit less qualified black students in because if you get rid of affirmative action, in competitive environments (like the engineering department at Purdue) you aren't going to have many black students and in some campuses, the engineering department is going to look like the Olympic table gold tennis medal winners.
Schools like Columbia have the absolute right to prefer blacks or legacies or jocks or chess masters with lower grades/scores over stronger applicants. Public universities do not have any right to engage in racial discrimination