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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You would have to ask him, he wasn't talking about taking money from vets, children, needed social programs. He was talking about the people who WONT work vs people that will not work.
    Wrong again. He classified anyone who does not have a federal income tax burden as being a freeloader, which simply isn't true.

    "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
    Everyone who has no federal income tax burden is wholly dependent on government? Everyone who has no federal income tax burden believes they are entitled? Everyone who has no federal income tax burden voted for Obama? Everyone who has no federal income tax burden doesn't take personal responsibility and care for their lives?

    These are Romney's words. They are ridiculously ****ing stupid.
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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I am in the workforce as we speak. I believe it.
    So are many of the 47% Romney was talking about.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    Actually, he was 100 or so votes from being elected in a race to 270. So how does the GOP get to 270? They get Texas, till maybe 2020, when it goes Blue. That's a biggy in the class of say CA and NY. FL, godwilling, despite Jews not being keen on minorities being picked on since they're thus, not to mention get that one nation under God ain't talking about theirs, might with some trickery and the hand of God overcome the fact that even the former stauchly-GOP-locked Anti Castro Cubans are voting Dem with all the anti-brown folks rhetoric coming from the GOP to lock up them voters in Mississippi and other low EC vote backwaters. A long shot, on a good day, wrapped in serendipity might create a shocker upset ... oh; and it's vital. Gopniks lose without it. Meanwhile them Johnny lunchbuckets hugging guns in rural OH might create an upset ... and it's vital. Then the locked in Red state, and only 80 percent of the could go other way states, and by golly, it's 2K all over again. EC win by 1.

    Bad nights can happen. Dewey should have never called Truman's train outreach "whistlestops" right when it was coming into Chicago, where folks didn't like being called a whistlestop. And others start thinking Dewey's a disconnected elite. Or maybe a candidate seeks divine counsel and gets caught smoking crack with Jimmy Swaggart and some young ladies of questionable employ. Ergo the October of Dreams in which Gopniks get skinned knees praying for an October Surprise as Fox scrambles to create one through repetition bordering on autistic. Without miracles in a couple big states and an even more miraculous skew on tossups, they do not get to 270 or anywhere near. Meanwhile if Dems get either of two they stand to win (OH, FL) they win. No need to stay up waiting for polls to close in HI, nor CA, AZ ...

    Victory speech time.
    Getting from 206 to 266 would have been accomplished by Romney pulling out wins in Florida, Ohio and Virginia. Add New Hampshire and viola, he would have been at 270. Romney came within 74,000 of winning Florida and its 29 EV, within 166,000 of winning Ohio's 18 and within 148,000 of winning Virginia and its 13 EV. Add 40,000 more votes in New Hampshire and you would have had a different president. 4 states, 4 swing states out of the 7 swing states available. Nevada, Iowa and North Carolina round out the swing states. Romney lost all except North Carolina.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    Actually, he was 100 or so votes from being elected in a race to 270. So how does the GOP get to 270? They get Texas, till maybe 2020, when it goes Blue. That's a biggy in the class of say CA and NY. FL, godwilling, despite Jews not being keen on minorities being picked on since they're thus, not to mention get that one nation under God ain't talking about theirs, might with some trickery and the hand of God overcome the fact that even the former stauchly-GOP-locked Anti Castro Cubans are voting Dem with all the anti-brown folks rhetoric coming from the GOP to lock up them voters in Mississippi and other low EC vote backwaters. A long shot, on a good day, wrapped in serendipity might create a shocker upset ... oh; and it's vital. Gopniks lose without it. Meanwhile them Johnny lunchbuckets hugging guns in rural OH might create an upset ... and it's vital. Then the locked in Red state, and only 80 percent of the could go other way states, and by golly, it's 2K all over again. EC win by 1.

    Bad nights can happen. Dewey should have never called Truman's train outreach "whistlestops" right when it was coming into Chicago, where folks didn't like being called a whistlestop. And others start thinking Dewey's a disconnected elite. Or maybe a candidate seeks divine counsel and gets caught smoking crack with Jimmy Swaggart and some young ladies of questionable employ. Ergo the October of Dreams in which Gopniks get skinned knees praying for an October Surprise as Fox scrambles to create one through repetition bordering on autistic. Without miracles in a couple big states and an even more miraculous skew on tossups, they do not get to 270 or anywhere near. Meanwhile if Dems get either of two they stand to win (OH, FL) they win. No need to stay up waiting for polls to close in HI, nor CA, AZ ...

    Victory speech time.
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    no offense, but its hard to take you seriously when you say things like that

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
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    no offense, but its hard to take you seriously when you say things like that
    No offense taken. It's hard to challenge nothing. So I'll query, why? What got your goat or is most egregiously in error?

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Getting from 206 to 266 would have been accomplished by Romney pulling out wins in Florida, Ohio and Virginia. Add New Hampshire and viola, he would have been at 270. Romney came within 74,000 of winning Florida and its 29 EV, within 166,000 of winning Ohio's 18 and within 148,000 of winning Virginia and its 13 EV. Add 40,000 more votes in New Hampshire and you would have had a different president. 4 states, 4 swing states out of the 7 swing states available. Nevada, Iowa and North Carolina round out the swing states. Romney lost all except North Carolina.
    Sure. Winning all 50 states and DC would have been even better. Meanwhile with Jews and Cubans sufficiently frightened of the extremist TeaRep crap seemingly endorsed at party level, how's it looking? Fertility rates likely to trump or get worse? (tip: worse)

    That's the point. Gopniks need to sideline the bigots and not merely support minority issues but lead on them. Or go with solid seats in pinhead districts and be the perennial opposition party. The country is diverse and become more so every day in maternity wards all across ... uh ... up and down the uber populous coasts. But the tumbleweed / tornado alley is Gopnik owned until the 2nd coming, or 3rd coming when campaigning in Utah.

    It's up to ya'll. But I like folks and want all to be well treated by our elected representatives and would like that more than easy Dem wins for POTUS ... which has another impact what with loading the court now preferred to the great legal minds track that once fulfilled Adams' idea that the greatest among us should be on the high court, without regard for political matters. Food for thought since the court gets to say what the Con means, and is thus very, very supreme.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    Sure. Winning all 50 states and DC would have been even better. Meanwhile with Jews and Cubans sufficiently frightened of the extremist TeaRep crap seemingly endorsed at party level, how's it looking? Fertility rates likely to trump or get worse? (tip: worse)

    That's the point. Gopniks need to sideline the bigots and not merely support minority issues but lead on them. Or go with solid seats in pinhead districts and be the perennial opposition party. The country is diverse and become more so every day in maternity wards all across ... uh ... up and down the uber populous coasts. But the tumbleweed / tornado alley is Gopnik owned until the 2nd coming, or 3rd coming when campaigning in Utah.

    It's up to ya'll. But I like folks and want all to be well treated by our elected representatives and would like that more than easy Dem wins for POTUS ... which has another impact what with loading the court now preferred to the great legal minds track that once fulfilled Adams' idea that the greatest among us should be on the high court, without regard for political matters. Food for thought since the court gets to say what the Con means, and is thus very, very supreme.
    Actually most conservatives and independents consider this SCOTUS to be a very activist court which curry favors to the Democrats/liberals. That this SCOTUS does not take enough orginal intent into consideration and political agenda of the present over rides original intent.

    As for the Republicans, I can see they have a chance of becoming just a congressional party without much hope of electing one of their own president. But I have seen this all happen before. After 1964's Goldwater's debacle there was a lot written on how the Republicans had ceased being a national party, only they came back 4 years later and won. Again after Watergate in 1974, once again the demise of the Republican party was extensively written about. But once again they came back to win in 1980.

    The the other shoe dropped, the Republican electoral lock of the 80's, it was feared the Democrats would never win another presidential race. Many books were written on that subject. But low and behold, come 1992 the Democrats won. Politics is dynamic and party strengths ebb and flows. Unlike most of our history, the time period from roughly 1994-2006 show the nation relative divided between the parties. That is highly unusual. It is normal for one party or the other to hold the upper hand, sometimes by a lot. From 1932 to 1975 roughly 50% of the electorate identified with the Democratic Party, a time period when only around 30% and sometimes less associated themselves with the Republican Party. By 1985 only 40% identified with the Democrats, today that percentage is down to 29% per Gallup, but the Republicans hold only 25% so the Democrats still have a larger base. Independents have grown from 28% in 1975 to 45% today.

    I wouldn't write either party off. Politics is just too dynamic. All it take is one major even, one happening to change the political landscape. But history shows that each major party have been written off more than once.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Actually most conservatives and independents consider this SCOTUS to be a very activist court which curry favors to the Democrats/liberals. That this SCOTUS does not take enough orginal intent into consideration and political agenda of the present over rides original intent.

    As for the Republicans, I can see they have a chance of becoming just a congressional party without much hope of electing one of their own president. But I have seen this all happen before. After 1964's Goldwater's debacle there was a lot written on how the Republicans had ceased being a national party, only they came back 4 years later and won. Again after Watergate in 1974, once again the demise of the Republican party was extensively written about. But once again they came back to win in 1980.

    The the other shoe dropped, the Republican electoral lock of the 80's, it was feared the Democrats would never win another presidential race. Many books were written on that subject. But low and behold, come 1992 the Democrats won. Politics is dynamic and party strengths ebb and flows. Unlike most of our history, the time period from roughly 1994-2006 show the nation relative divided between the parties. That is highly unusual. It is normal for one party or the other to hold the upper hand, sometimes by a lot. From 1932 to 1975 roughly 50% of the electorate identified with the Democratic Party, a time period when only around 30% and sometimes less associated themselves with the Republican Party. By 1985 only 40% identified with the Democrats, today that percentage is down to 29% per Gallup, but the Republicans hold only 25% so the Democrats still have a larger base. Independents have grown from 28% in 1975 to 45% today.

    I wouldn't write either party off. Politics is just too dynamic. All it take is one major even, one happening to change the political landscape. But history shows that each major party have been written off more than once.
    Then most Conservatives and Independents are fringe loons. It's a con-loaded court, with a 5 to 4 advantage.

    Meanwhile Reps are the House, albeit hanging on by a fraying thread to a majority House control buttriced by careful gerrymandering which will not last, once again, because America is no longer a country of white European immigrants. We're comprised of folks from everywhere, with whites and Hispanics most common but diminishing in percentage white. Lindsay Graham and I are polar opposites in our political belief but a brilliant man and politician Graham is, in my opinion and in fact. And he nailed it: there are no longer enough angry whites to sustain the current GOP strategy. They must change or die, politically. Not all will like it, and seemingly you won't since you seem willing to accept obscurity in support of an enduring anti minority position by the GOP.

    That'd be great for Dems but bad for Americans who are not white, so I hope, and trust, that sounder thinking prevails in the GOP and America gets back to a country which embraces acceptance of all which we once lead the world in doing and have now fallen far behind most countries I've visited for extended periods.

    Fingers crossed.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    No offense taken. It's hard to challenge nothing. So I'll query, why? What got your goat or is most egregiously in error?
    Well I did bold it. If you really think Texas is going blue then you are clearly to biased to make rational argument.

    Mitt Romney got 57% in Texas that's 2% just shy of the 59% Bush got in 2000. If a north easterner who was weak on social issues can get that close to a popular governor that is a strong social conservative its going to be a very long time before Texas becomes competitive let alone "goes blue". Yes the demographics are changing but latinos, who are much more conservative than their national counterparts anyways, simply don't vote. Take a look at San Antonio, 7th biggest city in the US and has the most latinos of any latino majority city, who has democrat poster boy Julián Castro as mayor. Castro got re-election 2011 with 82% of the vote seems impressive until you realize the turn out was just 6% and in a city of 1.4 million people he got just 34,000 votes. Then you look at the 2012 election and Obama barely eked out a 51% win in Bexar County. The demographics would have to undergo a massive shift to even make Texas close.

    Not to mention there is no evidence that a voting shift is happening.

    2008 McCain won by 11.77%
    2010 Perry won by 12.9%
    2012 Romney won by 15.79%

    and the latest polls have Abbott at about +14 over Davis.

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    Re: Did The 47% Video of Mitt Romney Kill His Chances of Winning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Well I did bold it. If you really think Texas is going blue then you are clearly to biased to make rational argument.

    Mitt Romney got 57% in Texas that's 2% just shy of the 59% Bush got in 2000. If a north easterner who was weak on social issues can get that close to a popular governor that is a strong social conservative its going to be a very long time before Texas becomes competitive let alone "goes blue". Yes the demographics are changing but latinos, who are much more conservative than their national counterparts anyways, simply don't vote. Take a look at San Antonio, 7th biggest city in the US and has the most latinos of any latino majority city, who has democrat poster boy Julián Castro as mayor. Castro got re-election 2011 with 82% of the vote seems impressive until you realize the turn out was just 6% and in a city of 1.4 million people he got just 34,000 votes. Then you look at the 2012 election and Obama barely eked out a 51% win in Bexar County. The demographics would have to undergo a massive shift to even make Texas close.

    Not to mention there is no evidence that a voting shift is happening.

    2008 McCain won by 11.77%
    2010 Perry won by 12.9%
    2012 Romney won by 15.79%

    and the latest polls have Abbott at about +14 over Davis.
    See where the voter demographics are going to be in 2020 based on current trends in Texas. Plus it's not going send its EC votes to the winning candidate in the meantime. But the upside is, hopefully, that some authentic Mexican cuisine is in its future and not that TexMex crap smothered in melted Velveta.

    It won't be all bad.

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