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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    I wouldn't want to cut any defense spending that would reduce any of our war fighting capabilities, however if things must be cut, there are a few things that could save money and have the least amount of pain for military members. For example the idea of closing stateside commissaries on bases that have large grocery stores nearby them could save 1 Billion dollars a year according to some reports. And another unpopular example, cut back a little on the Post 9/11 GI Bill, it is incredibly generous right now and pays for almost everything so perhaps just cutting the housing allowance part of it could save millions. By the way, I benefit from both the Post 9/11 GI Bill and the commissaries, but I just see the reality of the federal budget and if they have to cut, then I would rather they not cut any war fighting capabilities.
    In other words, you are going to cut the budget by sticking it to the Veterans?

    Excuse me, are you freaking nuts?

    Especially the GI Bill cut... myself for almost a year and a huge number of others rely upon that stipend to even be able to go to school at all. As for me, if I was not married I could not have gone, because the "housing stipend" literally only paid for my monthly rent (Rent was $950, stipend was $1,100).

    But hey, I guess we could just strip that all away, and go back to the old GI Bill, the one we had when I first joined.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    In other words, you are going to cut the budget by sticking it to the Veterans?

    Excuse me, are you freaking nuts?

    Especially the GI Bill cut... myself for almost a year and a huge number of others rely upon that stipend to even be able to go to school at all. As for me, if I was not married I could not have gone, because the "housing stipend" literally only paid for my monthly rent (Rent was $950, stipend was $1,100).

    But hey, I guess we could just strip that all away, and go back to the old GI Bill, the one we had when I first joined.

    VEAP.
    VEAP sucked. I had that when I first got in but converted to the Montgomery GI Bill (for a fee), then I moved to the Post 9/11 GI Bill after that. I am simply suggesting that if cuts absolutely positively have to happen, then find some places in the military budget that doesn't directly effect war fighting capabilities. And I am not suggesting GI Bills go away, just trim it down a little for budgetary reasons. Like I said, cut stuff the hurts the least. Nobody seems to want to cut anything.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Especially the GI Bill cut... myself for almost a year and a huge number of others rely upon that stipend to even be able to go to school at all. As for me, if I was not married I could not have gone, because the "housing stipend" literally only paid for my monthly rent (Rent was $950, stipend was $1,100).
    I would guess many people would still go to school if they were going to have 4 academic years of 100% tuition and 100% school fees paid for and most likely all of their books. A part-time job would make up for the E-5 housing allowance. And/or a small loan.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Oh don't give me that crap... "Oh, it is much higher then that, it is just hidden". This is for serious discussions on the military, not conspiracy theory crap. But the VA budget is not the military budget. Hell, people who had been in the military also collect Social Security, so why not throw that into this "super-secret military budget" as well?

    And hey, that other ideal is good too. And if they don't like it, we can treat the rich like the enemies... you know, put them in camps like we did the Japanese, Italians and Germans! After all, everybody knows that they are the real enemy, right?
    Yes the VA is part of the war budget.

    See if you have no war, then you create no wounded vets, and so the VA budget does not explode, and in fact should go away.

    Imagine if Iraq had no happened at all? And Afganistan was a 2 month operaion like i should have been.............

    no 10,000 deaths
    No "ďAll that can be said with any certainty is that as of last December more than 900,000 service men and women had been treated at Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals and clinics since returning from war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the monthly rate of new patients to these facilities as of the end of 2012 was around 10,000" Forbes

    Yup, its all just nut job stuff, no war no wased money and lives................
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Decrease it by at least half. Even with half of the resources we would still have the wherewithal to put together a massice military force in time of need.
    I agree.

    I would;

    - cut military budget by at least 1/2
    - close every foreign military base
    - bring every soldier home...immediately
    - mothball 1/2 the fleet
    - adopt a very small full time/massive reservist armed forces

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    I would keep it the same and push for an efficiency overview. Take the money we save being more efficient and help out the veterans with it.

    For example. I am a veteran. During my time as an FC instructor for the USN @ GLNTC, the sailors living/staying on base, in their Battalion BEQ's, would strip and wax and buff the decks on their duty day. The following day, the sailors living/staying on base in the battalion BEQ's, would strip and wax and buff the decks on their duty day. Keep in mind, duty day, for any particular sailor, fell every 4th day. When the decks were done, they would then go play softball or volleyball for "P.T."

    This time could have been better put to use saving money doing other things we typically pay others to do.

    I understand the concept of keeping them busy on their duty day but stripping, waxing and buffing a deck, every day of the week, is a waste of time and money that could have been better spent elsewhere. This is just a minor example given to make a point.

    I read that America's military spends more than the rest of the world's military's combined. I have asked before. How much bigger must our military be, compared to the combined military's across the globe? As big? Two times bigger? Ten times bigger? When will enough be enough?

    Well, I assure the military complex will tell you that enough will never be enough. Eisenhower warned us about this.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    VEAP sucked. I had that when I first got in but converted to the Montgomery GI Bill (for a fee), then I moved to the Post 9/11 GI Bill after that. I am simply suggesting that if cuts absolutely positively have to happen, then find some places in the military budget that doesn't directly effect war fighting capabilities. And I am not suggesting GI Bills go away, just trim it down a little for budgetary reasons. Like I said, cut stuff the hurts the least. Nobody seems to want to cut anything.
    But the VA is not part of the military budget. It is it's own cabinet level department, with it's own budget.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    But the VA is not part of the military budget. It is it's own cabinet level department, with it's own budget.
    They are related close enough to talk about for military type budget cuts IMHO.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    True. But that is no excuse for the man in the top job.
    It is when you need funding to actually do anything.

    Dan Brown once wrote a book that had the US's adversary describe the US military as a "Sledgehammer." Does obscene damage when it hits, but it must hit. Where that book revolved around evading the hammer, politically obstruction at home does the same thing.

    Obama's foreign policy is severely hamstrung for the simple fact that Congress is more interested in scoring political points then actually doing anything. I've said it before, but we need to eliminate gerrymandering in the name of national security.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Actually, they do and did which is why there was an expose back in the '80's about it and subsequent stories years afterward.
    Not really. That was just some journalists looking at expense reports. Black budget has always been funded this way. Book $500, pay $50, use the rest on black operations.

    The black budget is in the defense budget. The expenses are not out in the open, but are in other line items and the classified programs line item.
    The black budget has always been that way, it's just not properly labeled. There's really no difference between putting a black operation funding in classified and putting a black operations funding via appropriating crazy amounts for simple stuff and then using the difference between actual and budgeted to fund it. It's all coming out of the Pentagon.
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