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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I would increase military spending, but only in areas where it is needed: soldier pay and benefits, and technological advancements. I am a Democrat, but I believe, as I have stated in other threads, that we must maintain the most powerful military in the world so that we do not have to use it. Simply put, if we are strong enough, no one will challenge us.

    Now, that being said, I also feel that we should not use that might in order to just gain access to oil reserves and the like, but rather to defend our values of freedom and human rights around the world.
    We could make significant cuts to our military spending and still easily remain the most powerful and advanced military force on the planet. I agree with peace through strength, but like anything it is subject to diminishing returns, the point of which we are well past.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Defense Budget: $683 billion

    US Debt: $17.5 trillion

    After 10 years, that would still have paid off only $6.8 trillion of the debt. Of course, you have also not found a solution for the over 3 million people out of work, which would cost even more.

    As I said, think much, you do not. Facts, less you have of.
    Defence is much higher than that. it is just hidden in other budgets. Like the seperate war budgets, and the VA budget.

    And maybe some taxes on the rich are needed just like in WW2. Say 94% taxes like in 1944, except on all income, earned and unearned................
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    On the other hand, we need a president that doesn't come across as an unreliable ally.
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    Would help if we didn't have a Congress who was constantly tying the shoelaces of his shoes together.

    Lots of people don't understand how an obstructionist Congress can tie the hands of a President in foreign policy.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    First thing I'd do is make sure $7,600 is not being spent on coffee makers, or $604 for toilet seats, or other outrageous prices for easy to obtain commodities.
    This doesn't happen. The military will book an expense like a $500 hammer, pay a wholesale price that Home Depot does and use the balance of the appropriation to pay for off the record operations. It's been like this for a long, long time. Black ops don't get funded via Congress traditionally. They get funded by overbooking expenses on paper but paying the normal rates and banking the balance for no/low oversight operations.

    Third would be eliminating redundancy amongst the services while integrating them to maximize cooperation and cost effectiveness. For instance, I don't believe that the U.S. military needs two versions of the infantry - one Army, one Marine Corps. - when one of them can get the job done by itself and historically with less money and the "new toys fresh out of the box."
    So basically merge the two. The army right now isn't that well equipped for the primary reason the marines exist. So you'd have to spend sizable amounts of money merging the two.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    We could make significant cuts to our military spending and still easily remain the most powerful and advanced military force on the planet. I agree with peace through strength, but like anything it is subject to diminishing returns, the point of which we are well past.
    Considering how personnel costs are eating more and more of the budget, that won't remain for long. Gates was right in his statement that healthcare costs are eating the Pentagon alive. Soon we won't be able to afford new weapon systems. Obama however, took huge amounts of flak over attempting to make Socialist TRICARE less Socialist. We spend alot of money on our military, but vast sums of it go towards salaries, healthcare and retirement.
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This doesn't happen. The military will book an expense like a $500 hammer, pay a wholesale price that Home Depot does and use the balance of the appropriation to pay for off the record operations. It's been like this for a long, long time. Black ops don't get funded via Congress traditionally. They get funded by overbooking expenses on paper but paying the normal rates and banking the balance for no/low oversight operations.
    Actually, they do and did which is why there was an expose back in the '80's about it and subsequent stories years afterward.

    The black budget is in the defense budget. The expenses are not out in the open, but are in other line items and the classified programs line item.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What would you do with our defense spending? Would you downsize it? Increase it? Leave it the same? Please explain each of your choices.
    I wouldn't want to cut any defense spending that would reduce any of our war fighting capabilities, however if things must be cut, there are a few things that could save money and have the least amount of pain for military members. For example the idea of closing stateside commissaries on bases that have large grocery stores nearby them could save 1 Billion dollars a year according to some reports. And another unpopular example, cut back a little on the Post 9/11 GI Bill, it is incredibly generous right now and pays for almost everything so perhaps just cutting the housing allowance part of it could save millions. By the way, I benefit from both the Post 9/11 GI Bill and the commissaries, but I just see the reality of the federal budget and if they have to cut, then I would rather they not cut any war fighting capabilities.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Would help if we didn't have a Congress who was constantly tying the shoelaces of his shoes together.

    Lots of people don't understand how an obstructionist Congress can tie the hands of a President in foreign policy.
    True. But that is no excuse for the man in the top job.

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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Defence is much higher than that. it is just hidden in other budgets. Like the seperate war budgets, and the VA budget.

    And maybe some taxes on the rich are needed just like in WW2. Say 94% taxes like in 1944, except on all income, earned and unearned................
    Oh don't give me that crap... "Oh, it is much higher then that, it is just hidden". This is for serious discussions on the military, not conspiracy theory crap. But the VA budget is not the military budget. Hell, people who had been in the military also collect Social Security, so why not throw that into this "super-secret military budget" as well?

    And hey, that other ideal is good too. And if they don't like it, we can treat the rich like the enemies... you know, put them in camps like we did the Japanese, Italians and Germans! After all, everybody knows that they are the real enemy, right?
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    Re: What would you do with our defense spending?

    Build reusable spacecraft to shuttle astronauts and supplies.

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