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Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

Do The Rich Pay Too Much Income Taxes


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Answers:

Yes

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I don't Know

The 2013 tax tables are below:

Married Taxpayers Filing Jointly

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Married Taxpayers Filing Separate
 
Answers:

Yes

No

I don't Know

The 2013 tax tables are below:

Married Taxpayers Filing Jointly

Head of Household

Individual Taxpayers


Married Taxpayers Filing Separate

The answer to this question depends on what one thinks is the responsibility of the wealthy to the state, and what our tax dollars should be spent on. As a left leaning man, I believe that any government should be evaluated on how they take care of their poorest citizens. In line with this idea, no, I don't think the wealthy pay to much. When you compare the tax structure in the United States to other nations with similar quality of life ratings, it is clear that they pay a fair amount. I mean of course we would be comparing ourselves to socialist systems, but hey, that's the way the rest of the world has gone, and I think they're on to something...
 
I believe so. Depending on your state of residence, you could be paying almost half your total income to the taxman.
 
No, if you make enough money to be in the highest tax bracket, you have a larger responsibility to the state. You owe your financial success in part to the nation we live in which allows you to prosper. That and tax dollars building schools, libraries, and roads gives other citizens the ability to prosper, bolstering the economy of the nation as a whole.
 
larger responsibility to the state

Are you serious?

Making your OWN money makes the state a dependent by default? Hell, why not just rob everyone's paycheck and just trust the "state" to do the right thing?

I can't believe so many people think liberty is a sin.
 
I believe so. Depending on your state of residence, you could be paying almost half your total income to the taxman.
How do you figure that?
 
I think everybody pays too much taxes.
 
Yes, they are. And, who defines "rich." Anyone that makes less than the next guy?

Let's look at it this way: if your standing in line to buy something in a store, does the guy behind you have the right to go through your pockets and look at your checkbook to see if you have more money then them, and if you do, take some to pay for their stuff? Do you have the right to do it to the guy in front of you?

The answer to both is NO.

And no one has the right to have the government do it for them.

Liberty and freedom are still something that should mean something in this country.
 
Are you serious?

Making your OWN money makes the state a dependent by default? Hell, why not just rob everyone's paycheck and just trust the "state" to do the right thing?

I can't believe so many people think liberty is a sin.

Rob everyone's paycheck? Come on. Taxes are taxes, we all have to pay them, it is the price of living in a great country. A flat tax is ridiculous. Someone who makes 400k a year should not pay the same rate as someone who is hovering around the poverty line.
 
Are you serious?

Making your OWN money makes the state a dependent by default? Hell, why not just rob everyone's paycheck and just trust the "state" to do the right thing?

I can't believe so many people think liberty is a sin.

But who will build the roads?
 
The tax rates don't reflect what rich people actually pay. The rich can afford attorneys and accountants and structure their finances to avoid or delay taxes. Also, many of the rich are wealthy, but don't have a high income. If and when rich people start leaving the country to avoid taxes then I would think it may be time to lower the tax rate.
 
The tax rates don't reflect what rich people actually pay. The rich can afford attorneys and accountants and structure their finances to avoid or delay taxes. Also, many of the rich are wealthy, but don't have a high income.

That goes back to my question above: Who defines "rich?"

I pay the top amount, and can't afford attorney's or tax accountants or anything else you said. Ever heard of AMT?
 
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The 2013 tax tables are below:

Maybe but it's an easy problem to solve. If you pay too much in taxes one year, you can make the proper arrangement to pay less the following year by making less money. Most people prefer having more money and fail to use this strategy. Taxes is just one of those things like the weather. People love to talk about the weather but nobody ever does anything about it.

Hint: Nobody uses this strategy to avoid taxes.
 
You do know that most states have their own income tax on top of federal tax, right?
Yes, I do know that. However if you have an adjusted gross income of $1 billion, your effective rate is only about 22%. And there is no state that would bring the total anywhere near 50%.
 
Rob everyone's paycheck? Come on. Taxes are taxes, we all have to pay them, it is the price of living in a great country. A flat tax is ridiculous. Someone who makes 400k a year should not pay the same rate as someone who is hovering around the poverty line.

So "great" countries have to charge for the right to live within them? That kind of thinking makes me want to pick up and move to a country that can prove its greatness through methods other than theft and extortion.

It's a cute little slippery slope. Maybe the state just decides that you don't need money. It'll take everything you have and determine, on its own, what you need and what you don't.

Just do as you're told.

th
 
For the same reason some religions have tithes. The community as a whole dictates that a percentage is more fair than a set number. It is unfair that the poor pay the same amount as the rich when it is more detrimental to them to pay the fee.

You may not understand what a flat tax is, and I wasn't talking about that. But since you mentioned it, if a person making $1M pays 20% ($200,000.00) and a person making $40k pays 20% ($8,000.00), then the guy making $1M pays $192,000.00 more than the other guy. That is fair. Both pay the same rate.

No one is saying that everyone should pay the same amount, just the same percentage.
 
Yes, I do know that. However if you have an adjusted gross income of $1 billion, your effective rate is only about 22%. And there is no state that would bring the total anywhere near 50%.

Um...what? Where did you get that figure from?

And if you use the words "capital gains", I'll punch you in the throat.
 
No, if you make enough money to be in the highest tax bracket, you have a larger responsibility to the state. You owe your financial success in part to the nation we live in which allows you to prosper. That and tax dollars building schools, libraries, and roads gives other citizens the ability to prosper, bolstering the economy of the nation as a whole.

Does a pretty woman owe men a lot more sex than average women because the pretty woman benefits more from men doing her bidding than what average women receive?

Does a talented musician owe the public free concerts compared to a mediocre musician?

Does a talent car mechanic have to give away his service one day a week compared to the mechanic who is just mediocre?

Or to take the argument directly to your territory, if the higher income earner owes more to the state because the state is responsible for his success then isn't his good judgment also needed in terms of voting - shouldn't he be granted more votes than the low income earner because he's clearly shown that his judgment is better because he was able to use those societal resources more efficiently than the low income earner who had EXACTLY the same chance to use those societal resources.
 
So "great" countries have to charge for the right to live within them? That kind of thinking makes me want to pick up and move to a country that can prove its greatness through methods other than theft and extortion.

It's a cute little slippery slope. Maybe the state just decides that you don't need money. It'll take everything you have and determine, on its own, what you need and what you don't.

Just do as you're told.

th

If you want to get up and move, go ahead. With basically the whole industrialized world practicing socialism, I'm just curious, what country do you think you'll go to?
 
That and tax dollars building schools, libraries, and roads gives other citizens the ability to prosper, bolstering the economy of the nation as a whole.

This is a crock of **** distraction tactic that you're using. Most of the taxes that we pay are used for INCOME REDISTRIBUTION and not for providing PUBLIC goods, like roads, schools, border control, national defense, policing, courts, etc.
 
Does a pretty woman owe men a lot more sex than average women because the pretty woman benefits more from men doing her bidding than what average women receive?

Does a talented musician owe the public free concerts compared to a mediocre musician?

Does a talent car mechanic have to give away his service one day a week compared to the mechanic who is just mediocre?

Or to take the argument directly to your territory, if the higher income earner owes more to the state because the state is responsible for his success then isn't his good judgment also needed in terms of voting - shouldn't he be granted more votes than the low income earner because he's clearly shown that his judgment is better because he was able to use those societal resources more efficiently than the low income earner who had EXACTLY the same chance to use those societal resources.

Come on. Really? Apples and Oranges my friend.
 
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