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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If that's true, then I applaud you.



    "Ultimate racist hunter"? Where did I say that? Is it really so inconceivable to you that it's easy for a person with many years' experience in a particular way of life to recognize others who have lived that same way of life? Is that really so hard for you to understand?



    You really should stop ASSUMING, O5 - I've said many, many times that I do NOT think that most conservatives are racist...but that they DO tend to be more likely to tolerate racists.

    Please stop assuming - it doesn't help.
    You can't possibly know what people are thinking, not matter what qualifier you think your possess.

    What you are actually describing yourself to be is nothing but a bigot. And I don't think you want people to view you as a bigot, and a racist.

    So, to borrow your line, please stop assuming, it doesn't help.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You can't possibly know what people are thinking, not matter what qualifier you think your possess.
    How many children have you raised? Assuming you have, when you were raising them, did you know what their motivations were, and why they thought as they did?

    What you are actually describing yourself to be is nothing but a bigot. And I don't think you want people to view you as a bigot, and a racist. So, to borrow your line, please stop assuming, it doesn't help.
    OH! Ah...ya...GOT me...pardnuh....

    *sigh*
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    How many children have you raised? Assuming you have, when you were raising them, did you know what their motivations were, and why they thought as they did?



    OH! Ah...ya...GOT me...pardnuh....

    *sigh*
    Have I raised children? I am a Grand Father. You are way out of your league here GC.

    I think this qualification you use to judge others is a joke. It is what it is.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Have I raised children? I am a Grand Father. You are way out of your league here GC.

    I think this qualification you use to judge others is a joke. It is what it is.
    I'm happy for you...but you didn't answer my question. When you were raising your kids, did you know what was motivating them, why they thought the way they did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I'm happy for you...but you didn't answer my question. When you were raising your kids, did you know what was motivating them, why they thought the way they did?
    No. I certainly thought I did. But as they grew up, moved out, went to college, graduated, and pursued their lives, I knew I didn't.

    It is for this reason and a mountain of other experiences that forms the basis of my observations regarding your stereotypes and opinions.

    What's amazing is this stereotyping is the basis of racism and prejudice, which you claim to have "overcome". It seems clear you haven't.

    So be it.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No. I certainly thought I did. But as they grew up, moved out, went to college, graduated, and pursued their lives, I knew I didn't.

    It is for this reason and a mountain of other experiences that forms the basis of my observations regarding your stereotypes and opinions.

    What's amazing is this stereotyping is the basis of racism and prejudice, which you claim to have "overcome". It seems clear you haven't.

    So be it.
    That's strange...because my son is amazed to this day that I know what he's thinking, or at least why he's thinking that way. And if you were to spend some time among senior military, they'll tell you in no uncertain terms that they have a very good idea what goes through the minds of the junior personnel - they HAVE to in order to know how to lead them effectively. Once you really get into leadership positions, most of your job is knowing your people, knowing what's going through their minds...

    ...which is why retired military are sought after for teaching positions in the civilian world. Google "Troops to teachers" sometime.

    No, guy, it's not me who's stereotyping here. I'm speaking from experience, from having walked a mile in the other person's moccasins. You haven't.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    That's strange...because my son is amazed to this day that I know what he's thinking, or at least why he's thinking that way. And if you were to spend some time among senior military, they'll tell you in no uncertain terms that they have a very good idea what goes through the minds of the junior personnel - they HAVE to in order to know how to lead them effectively. Once you really get into leadership positions, most of your job is knowing your people, knowing what's going through their minds...

    ...which is why retired military are sought after for teaching positions in the civilian world. Google "Troops to teachers" sometime.

    No, guy, it's not me who's stereotyping here. I'm speaking from experience, from having walked a mile in the other person's moccasins. You haven't.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Neither did Martin Luther, though the influence and effect his rabid anti-semitism had on majority-Lutheran Germany in the 1930's would be hard to overstate.

    What MLK was getting at is that legally allowing people to discriminate - in the eyes of racists - gives legitimacy to their actions, just as the words of Nietzsche and Martin Luther gave legitimacy to the anti-semites of 1930's Germany.

    You have to ask yourself which is more important - to protect someone's "right" to discriminate against others, or to protect someone's freedom from discrimination. You can't have both. You can either protect someone's "right" to discriminate, or you can protect someone's freedom from discrimination.

    I'd really like to hear your thoughts on that. And as soon as I figure out how to make a poll, I'm going to put that choice there.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Discrimination is the essence of law. We discriminate all the time: between expensive and cheap, between good and bad, between fast and slow, etc.
    But that does not render legitimacy to discrimination against people for what they were when they were born, does it? And I think you're using the particular definition of 'discrimination' as it refers to 'choice', whereas I'm using the particular definition as refers to 'prejudice'.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One major reform we could make in the area of taxes is to get rid of the special inheritance or what some on the right like to call "death taxes". Abolish that distinction and get rid of the laws on it. Simply consider all new money going into a persons pocket according to the same tax schedule regardless of its source.

    Do that and suddenly you achieve a bit more economic fairness.
    I agree that we should end the capital gains distinction.

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