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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Still part of the Arian tradition, broadly considered.
    Like I said, to you, what I pointed out might be quibbling...but to us such are very important points. Arias would not have agreed with what we believe.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Like I said, to you, what I pointed out might be quibbling...but to us such are very important points. Arias would not have agreed with what we believe.
    It's Arius. But now I'm quibbling.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The Christian ethic of caring for the poor and weak is the best part of Christianity and it used to play important part of in moderating the worst aspects of ruthless capitalism. Lack of concern for the poor isn't just a political view or ethic, it is a mental disorder.

    "Antisocial (or dissocial) personality disorder is characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others. There may be an impoverished moral sense or conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, impulsive and aggressive behavior..."
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    A good government understands that some citizens will be antisocial and constructs laws to limit the negative consequences. And since Congress is prevented from establishing a religion it follows that Christian morality on charity and the poor should not be part of our laws. There are sufficient Christians who can support Christian charities to complete that mission if they choose. And if there are not enough Christians to voluntarily sponsor these charities than government should not be doing that mission for them.

    It seems to be bad public policy to expend precious resources on people who are unwilling or unable to support themselves and contribute to the general welfare and it unlikely to be able to do so in the future. We should be spending resources on people who can add value. Christian morality, as important as it is and even as much as I support it, should not be part of government programs. If a program is objectively useful, then keep it.

    At least justify social programs objectively, not morally.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    A good government understands that some citizens will be antisocial and constructs laws to limit the negative consequences. And since Congress is prevented from establishing a religion it follows that Christian morality on charity and the poor should not be part of our laws. There are sufficient Christians who can support Christian charities to complete that mission if they choose. And if there are not enough Christians to voluntarily sponsor these charities than government should not be doing that mission for them.

    It seems to be bad public policy to expend precious resources on people who are unwilling or unable to support themselves and contribute to the general welfare and it unlikely to be able to do so in the future. We should be spending resources on people who can add value. Christian morality, as important as it is and even as much as I support it, should not be part of government programs. If a program is objectively useful, then keep it.

    At least justify social programs objectively, not morally.
    an interesting thought provoking argument. "the general welfare" has been mutated (like the commerce clause) beyond all known connection to the intent of the founders and has now become a vote buying scheme and a scheme designed to create a permanent class of dependent voters. Darwinian directives would suggest wasting resources on the can/won't nots only perpetuates such a group



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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    I am not sure why government services are the only services in which the price is based on ability to pay. We all use the roads, parks, communication systems, access to libraries and education, benefit from the justice system and the defense system.

    If some use these things to add value to their lives as they see fit while others use these things to generate more income why should the majority of payment come from the latter group. As Maslow stated in his hierarchy of needs, we all have needs, in priority order, of physiological, safety, social, esteem, and self actualization. The progressive tax system, or even the flat tax system, seems based on the questionable logic that people who work for self actualization through more income, more wealth, more power, etc., have to pay more than people who seek and work for other, non-financial, ends.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The United States has the most progressive tax system in the world.

    Ummmmm








    Countries With the Highest Income Tax Rates
    (CNBC)
    Countries With the Highest Income Tax Rates

    1. Aruba
    Highest income tax rate: 58.95%

    2. Sweden
    Highest income tax rate: 56.6%
    Average 2010 income: $48,800

    3. Denmark
    Highest income tax rate: 55.4%
    Average 2010 income: $64,000

    4. Netherlands
    Highest income tax rate: 52%
    Average 2010 income: $57,000

    5. (Tied) Austria
    Highest income tax rate: 50%
    Average 2010 income: $50,700

    5. (Tied) Belgium
    Highest income tax rate: 50%

    5. (Tied) Japan
    Highest income tax rate: 50%
    Average 2010 income: $53,200
    Average 2010 income: $52,700

    5. (Tied) United Kingdom
    Highest income tax rate: 50%
    Average 2010 income: $52,320

    9. Finland
    Highest income tax rate: 49.2%
    Average 2010 income: $49,000

    10. Ireland
    Highest income tax rate: 48%
    Average 2010 income: $50,400
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Ummmmm








    Countries With the Highest Income Tax Rates
    (CNBC)
    Countries With the Highest Income Tax Rates

    1. Aruba
    Highest income tax rate: 58.95%

    2. Sweden
    Highest income tax rate: 56.6%
    Average 2010 income: $48,800

    3. Denmark
    Highest income tax rate: 55.4%
    Average 2010 income: $64,000

    4. Netherlands
    Highest income tax rate: 52%
    Average 2010 income: $57,000

    5. (Tied) Austria
    Highest income tax rate: 50%
    Average 2010 income: $50,700

    5. (Tied) Belgium
    Highest income tax rate: 50%

    5. (Tied) Japan
    Highest income tax rate: 50%
    Average 2010 income: $53,200
    Average 2010 income: $52,700

    5. (Tied) United Kingdom
    Highest income tax rate: 50%
    Average 2010 income: $52,320

    9. Finland
    Highest income tax rate: 49.2%
    Average 2010 income: $49,000

    10. Ireland
    Highest income tax rate: 48%
    Average 2010 income: $50,400


    KPMG and CNBC vs OECD? You're kidding, right?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post

    KMPG and CNBC vs OECD? You're kidding, right?
    counting the social security as a tax is a bit silly. its a forced retirement fund payment

    and using 100,000 is dishonest



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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    What a STUPID objection.
    As if KPMG and CNBC are either inaccurate or Biased against High-incomers.
    No doubt either of both use OECD numbers in any case.

    It's no wonder your better off with your commentLESS OPs.


    It's unwieldly not to use the same number for everyone.
    100K is s good as any.

    Financial advisors putting out advertising copy? And the business reporting arm of the lefty network? Up against data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development? Really without credibility.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    What a STUPID objection.
    As if KPMG and CNBC are either inaccurate or Biased against High-incomers.
    No doubt either or both use OECD numbers in any case.

    It's no wonder you're better off with your commentLESS OPs.
    Another Alzheimers post.


    It's unwieldly not to use the same number for everyone.
    100K is as good as any.
    What number would you like?
    Why don't YOU put more than 5 secs into your posts and GO find it. Go find anything that makes Your case in fact.
    wow, five seconds? I am bright but I am not that fast. we get the fact that you whine about the rich and think they ought to pay more. I disagree. using SS is dishonest when comparing progressive tax rates, we should look at taxes designed to be progressive. tax hikers whine about regressive or flat taxes keeping the overall tax rate not as progressive as it should be and then pretend that progressive taxes should be EVEN MORE progressive to overcome the impact of non-progressive taxes



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