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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL.

    No, not necessary. I believe you are fully invested in spreading the bigoted racism that was initiated by Progs before Obama took office. The same racist agenda that President Clinton complained about during the '08 primaries, and the same racist agenda that has been the fall back position of the left when confronted with questions they can't answer.

    It's a shame there is no shame in people who spit on the grave of those who gave their lives for equality, in an attempt to gain some political ground.

    Really pathetic, and unquestionably vile, but just know, each and every time these false claims are made, it's like defecating on the grave of those heroic figures from history.

    Perhaps it's time to pull up the pants and to stop doing that.

    As to illegal immigrants, and please don't forget to add the correct word "illegal" in front of immigrants, there is nothing heroic about these self centered jerks. Why anyone would support people who put their families at risk, their co-workers at risk, and the citizens of the country they are extorting at risk is beyond me.
    Really? O5, you're forgetting something - I used to be a (moderately) racist and strong conservative. I grew up and lived in what is today the base of the Republican party. I'm sorry, but no one here knows both sides of the story like I do. Please do not take offense, but you telling me that the liberals are the ones who are dividing this nation along racial lines only evinces your ignorance of the matter. You really do not have a deep understanding of the matter.

    I'm not surprised you didn't take me up on that challenge - I've made the same challenge to conservatives quite a few times before. Only one has ever taken me up on the challenge...and he of course lost - not that he admitted his loss, of course, but he lost nonetheless. But you're intelligent enough to know that when I say I can show so many more examples of race-baiting and racism by the right than you can of the left, I'm making no idle boast.

    And no, the word "illegal" need not be included in front of "immigrants". Get to know someone who came here as a nonwhite immigrant sometime and ask them if they experience racism even though they've been American citizens for many years. Got an example for you - a couple months ago, a state inspector came to our Adult Family Home to investigate a matter. She looked at my sister-in-law and asked, "Does she have her green card?" It never occurred to her that my sister-in-law might be a citizen...and she has been for over twenty years. Would that state inspector have made the same assumption if my sister-in-law had been white? I think you know the answer to that one.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    62 in-session days.

    Here's something to think about - most presidents since the early 1930's, including Nixon, tried to get health reform passed. Obama did what they weren't able to do. If he did nothing else the entire two terms, that's still a great thing.
    Terrific. Dodge an entire post and correct the 60 v 62 in-service days inconsistency, which is nearly irrelevant as well. Then presume to tell me what to think about.

    Maybe stop being an apologist for a rank failure who has not lead on a single issue he spoke to so brilliantly when campaigning ... and try a nanosecond of thinking for yourself. Then come back and tell me what to think about. Okie doke?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    *crowd goes "oooOOOoooh!"*

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    I don't have a problem paying my state income tax. I think for the most part, the taxes are being used appropriately. I don't think that is true for the federal government. I think too much is going toward corporate welfare and defense spending. JMHO

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. I should not butt in, and you're right about this perhaps not being the right thread, but my curiosity has got the better of me. How can a church that does not accept the divinity of Christ be called "Christian?" For the record, I'm agnostic.
    I honestly understand how you feel - I know enough history that if it weren't for this Church, I'd be agnostic or possibly even atheist.

    Anyway, what the Church showed me - and what I was able to verify for myself - is that every single verse that is used to "prove" the divinity of Christ is either mistranslated or taken out of context. Every single one - and the "Trinity" is a fiction. It's still the Church of Christ because according to Acts 20:28 (Lamsa version - which is from the original Aramaic), Jesus purchased the Church with His blood.

    As to trinitarian doctrine, here's something to think about: In the original Catholic Encyclopedia (not the new one) in the entry for "Babylonia" the Catholic church says that Baal (which you might remember from Old Testament stories) was part of a Trinity. Herodotus notes how the Babylonians would keep a chaste woman at the temple of Baal every night just in case the god wanted to show up and "take his pleasure"...and remember that nuns actually have a "marriage" to Jesus as part of their entry into the nunnery. That, and I looked around at every major culture and kingdom I could identify in the ancient world...and all of them worshiped a trinity of some sort. Sometimes that trinity was a group of three in a family, or three allied gods, and usually part of a larger pantheon...and then there's the Hindu three-in-one/one-in-three trinity of Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma. ALL of those ancient major societies worshiped trinities...

    ...except for the Hebrews.

    Just something to think about.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Unfortunate that you feel that way. The Constitution instructs government to promote the general welfare, not to take care of the poorest citizens. If the general welfare can be better achieved by investing in infrastructure, science and medicine instead of taking care of the poorest than we are throwing money away. Unfortunately, Christian morality, with it's emphasis on caring for the poor and the weak (much more so than any other religion or philosophy) has infected the political class. And I guess that there is no way to eradicate this Christian disease.
    The Christian ethic of caring for the poor and weak is the best part of Christianity and it used to play important part of in moderating the worst aspects of ruthless capitalism. Lack of concern for the poor isn't just a political view or ethic, it is a mental disorder.

    "Antisocial (or dissocial) personality disorder is characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others. There may be an impoverished moral sense or conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, impulsive and aggressive behavior..."
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ....As to illegal immigrants, and please don't forget to add the correct word "illegal" in front of immigrants, there is nothing heroic about these self centered jerks. Why anyone would support people who put their families at risk, their co-workers at risk, and the citizens of the country they are extorting at risk is beyond me.
    "One of the largely overlooked aspects of the North American Free Trade Agreement is the fact that the failed trade pact has been the catalyst for the massive increase in illegal immigration over the past two decades or so.

    An influx of highly subsidized corn flooding the Mexican market has displaced millions of rural farmers, according to McClatchy Newspapers. Prior to the implementation of NAFTA, Mexican officials claimed that factory jobs would fill the void left by disappearing work on family farms......

    Since NAFTA was signed into law, illegal immigrants in the U.S. has increased to 12 million today from 3.9 million in 1993, accounting for an overall increase of over 300 percent. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, 57 percent of those entering the country illegally are from Mexico.

    “The numbers of people displaced from family farming were much, much higher than the number of new wage jobs,” Jonathan Fox, an expert on rural Mexico at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told McClatchy Newspapers.

    Those displaced workers are largely the result of U.S. corn exports to Mexico. Heavily subsidized American Agribusiness not only put hundreds of thousands of American family farms out of business, but also dumped billions of dollars worth of American agricultural products into the Mexican market, putting millions of peasant farmers out of business.

    Between 1994 and 2001, the flood of cheap, subsidized American corn caused the price of the crop to fall 70 percent in Mexico. The drop in prices caused millions of farm jobs to disappear, with the numbers falling from 8.1 million in 1993 to 6.8 million in 2002.

    Those out-of-work farmers make up the bulk of the illegal immigrants entering the U.S. each year. Unable to compete with their highly subsidized American competitors – $10 billion in 2000 alone – rural Mexican farmers have increasingly sought employment in the U.S.

    Corn producing jobs – the nation’s largest cash crop – fell by over one million in the first decade of NAFTA. Additionally, another 142,000 job cultivating flowers and fruit have disappeared.

    In rural areas, the percentage of the population working in the agricultural sector fell from 44 percent in the early 1990s to just 28 percent at the beginning of the decade......"
    Illegal Immigration and NAFTA February 05, 2011 Dustin Ensinger Illegal Immigration and NAFTA | Economy In Crisis

    "....With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[3][4] Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."..."
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I honestly understand how you feel - I know enough history that if it weren't for this Church, I'd be agnostic or possibly even atheist.

    Anyway, what the Church showed me - and what I was able to verify for myself - is that every single verse that is used to "prove" the divinity of Christ is either mistranslated or taken out of context. Every single one - and the "Trinity" is a fiction. It's still the Church of Christ because according to Acts 20:28 (Lamsa version - which is from the original Aramaic), Jesus purchased the Church with His blood.

    As to trinitarian doctrine, here's something to think about: In the original Catholic Encyclopedia (not the new one) in the entry for "Babylonia" the Catholic church says that Baal (which you might remember from Old Testament stories) was part of a Trinity. Herodotus notes how the Babylonians would keep a chaste woman at the temple of Baal every night just in case the god wanted to show up and "take his pleasure"...and remember that nuns actually have a "marriage" to Jesus as part of their entry into the nunnery. That, and I looked around at every major culture and kingdom I could identify in the ancient world...and all of them worshiped a trinity of some sort. Sometimes that trinity was a group of three in a family, or three allied gods, and usually part of a larger pantheon...and then there's the Hindu three-in-one/one-in-three trinity of Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma. ALL of those ancient major societies worshiped trinities...

    ...except for the Hebrews.

    Just something to think about.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    OK. Arians who do not accept the Nicean Creed. Thanks.
    Um, no. From Arian beliefs:

    Some of them say that the Son is an eructation, others that he is a production, others that he is also unbegotten. These are impieties to which we cannot listen, even though the heretics threaten us with a thousand deaths. But we say and believe and have taught, and do teach, that the Son is not unbegotten, nor in any way part of the unbegotten; and that he does not derive his subsistence from any matter; but that by his own will and counsel he has subsisted before time and before ages as perfect as God, only begotten and unchangeable, and that before he was begotten, or created, or purposed, or established, he was not. For he was not unbegotten. We are persecuted, because we say that the Son has a beginning, but that God is without beginning.

    We would disagree with the underlined sentence, because Jesus cannot be compared with God, and Jesus did not physically exist before He was born. Perhaps you might think that's quibbling, but in our eyes that's a pretty important point.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, no. From Arian beliefs:

    Some of them say that the Son is an eructation, others that he is a production, others that he is also unbegotten. These are impieties to which we cannot listen, even though the heretics threaten us with a thousand deaths. But we say and believe and have taught, and do teach, that the Son is not unbegotten, nor in any way part of the unbegotten; and that he does not derive his subsistence from any matter; but that by his own will and counsel he has subsisted before time and before ages as perfect as God, only begotten and unchangeable, and that before he was begotten, or created, or purposed, or established, he was not. For he was not unbegotten. We are persecuted, because we say that the Son has a beginning, but that God is without beginning.

    We would disagree with the underlined sentence, because Jesus cannot be compared with God, and Jesus did not physically exist before He was born. Perhaps you might think that's quibbling, but in our eyes that's a pretty important point.
    Still part of the Arian tradition, broadly considered.
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