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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    The answer to this question depends on what one thinks is the responsibility of the wealthy to the state, and what our tax dollars should be spent on. As a left leaning man, I believe that any government should be evaluated on how they take care of their poorest citizens. In line with this idea, no, I don't think the wealthy pay to much. When you compare the tax structure in the United States to other nations with similar quality of life ratings, it is clear that they pay a fair amount. I mean of course we would be comparing ourselves to socialist systems, but hey, that's the way the rest of the world has gone, and I think they're on to something...
    Unfortunate that you feel that way. The Constitution instructs government to promote the general welfare, not to take care of the poorest citizens. If the general welfare can be better achieved by investing in infrastructure, science and medicine instead of taking care of the poorest than we are throwing money away. Unfortunately, Christian morality, with it's emphasis on caring for the poor and the weak (much more so than any other religion or philosophy) has infected the political class. And I guess that there is no way to eradicate this Christian disease.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    No, if you make enough money to be in the highest tax bracket, you have a larger responsibility to the state. You owe your financial success in part to the nation we live in which allows you to prosper. That and tax dollars building schools, libraries, and roads gives other citizens the ability to prosper, bolstering the economy of the nation as a whole.
    I am confused now. Earlier you wrote that government must care for the poorest of citizens and now you are talking about schools, libraries, roads, etc. all of which cost money which the government doesn't have when it devotes such a high percentage on poor citizens. FDR had it right in his 1935 SOTU:
    The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole our relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of a sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able-bodied but destitute workers.
    But overly subsidizing people, government loses the ability to provide the infrastructure that you want. The PPACA, according to the CBO, will result in the equivalent of a loss of 2.5 million jobs, the opposite of what FDR wanted.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Typical jealousy.
    You mean me? Or what I was replying to in the post you quoted?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You mean me? Or what I was replying to in the post you quoted?
    I misunderstood and deleted rather than editing.

    I'm for a flat tax if over our progressive tax system.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    Along with this gem above from then candidate Obama, and with the JournoList race baiting offensive revealed, it's well know fact where race has fit into the Progressive plan.
    Tell ya what - for everything you show that you think is race-baiting (and the above is NOT race-baiting), I'll show you five by the Republicans and conservatives. Deal?

    Speaking of conservative antipathy towards immigrants, here's what Republican congressman Steve King said about Latinos: “For everyone who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds — and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act."

    John Boehner did not discipline him.

    It's statements like that, sir, that show Obama's statement - you know, the one you thought was racist - to be 100% on the money.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    So what are 60 in session days? 4 months? Ever hear of first 100 days? LBJ set a nice example many try to emulate, but I think Obama's the first to get zip and had the most voter help of the lot since LBJ.
    62 in-session days.

    Here's something to think about - most presidents since the early 1930's, including Nixon, tried to get health reform passed. Obama did what they weren't able to do. If he did nothing else the entire two terms, that's still a great thing.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    62 in-session days.

    Here's something to think about - most presidents since the early 1930's, including Nixon, tried to get health reform passed. Obama did what they weren't able to do. If he did nothing else the entire two terms, that's still a great thing.
    What do you call Medicare/Medicaid or the EMTALA. Arguably the bulk of PPACA is the expansion of Medicaid and EMTALA provided universal health care. No one gets turned down. With EMTALA we got to the point in which there is no difference in morality rates for the insured and uninsured, according to PolitiFacts.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...rly-because-t/

    Besides expanding Medicaid (to half the states apparently) the PPACA concerns not health care but health care insurance, or the paying for the health care. These are not the same things. Islam has it right when they are largely anti-insurance and against the idea of paying for something that you don't need. In Islam, insurance is viewed as a money making operation for the insurer.

    People were already getting health care. The PPACA takes money from the healthy who feel they don't need insurance to cover those who are taking up most of the health care spending, while leaving a cut for the middleman, the insurance companies.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Tell ya what - for everything you show that you think is race-baiting (and the above is NOT race-baiting), I'll show you five by the Republicans and conservatives. Deal?

    Speaking of conservative antipathy towards immigrants, here's what Republican congressman Steve King said about Latinos: “For everyone who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds — and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act."

    John Boehner did not discipline him.

    It's statements like that, sir, that show Obama's statement - you know, the one you thought was racist - to be 100% on the money.
    LOL.

    No, not necessary. I believe you are fully invested in spreading the bigoted racism that was initiated by Progs before Obama took office. The same racist agenda that President Clinton complained about during the '08 primaries, and the same racist agenda that has been the fall back position of the left when confronted with questions they can't answer.

    It's a shame there is no shame in people who spit on the grave of those who gave their lives for equality, in an attempt to gain some political ground.

    Really pathetic, and unquestionably vile, but just know, each and every time these false claims are made, it's like defecating on the grave of those heroic figures from history.

    Perhaps it's time to pull up the pants and to stop doing that.

    As to illegal immigrants, and please don't forget to add the correct word "illegal" in front of immigrants, there is nothing heroic about these self centered jerks. Why anyone would support people who put their families at risk, their co-workers at risk, and the citizens of the country they are extorting at risk is beyond me.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    What do you call Medicare/Medicaid or the EMTALA. Arguably the bulk of PPACA is the expansion of Medicaid and EMTALA provided universal health care. No one gets turned down. With EMTALA we got to the point in which there is no difference in morality rates for the insured and uninsured, according to PolitiFacts.
    Pascrell says up to 22,000 Americans die yearly because they don

    Besides expanding Medicaid (to half the states apparently) the PPACA concerns not health care but health care insurance, or the paying for the health care. These are not the same things. Islam has it right when they are largely anti-insurance and against the idea of paying for something that you don't need. In Islam, insurance is viewed as a money making operation for the insurer.

    People were already getting health care. The PPACA takes money from the healthy who feel they don't need insurance to cover those who are taking up most of the health care spending, while leaving a cut for the middleman, the insurance companies.
    Interesting - and welcome to the discussion. Are you Muslim? And if so, please understand I'm not at all troubled by that; indeed, I'm happy to see you here. I am Christian, but the Church of which I am a member (Iglesia ni Cristo, which is Tagalog for "Church of Christ") is in agreement with Islam that only God is God, that Jesus has never been and never will be God. To my knowledge, all other "Christian" churches and sects hold as dogma that Jesus is God or, as in the Jehovah's Witnesses, that He is a mighty God, but just not the Almighty God. When it comes to the very nature of God Himself, then, Islam is right and the vast majority of mainstream "Christianity" is wrong. Where Islam and the Iglesia ni Cristo differ is that we believe that Jesus is still the Son of God and is our Savior, whereas IIRC Islam holds Jesus to be a great prophet. Am I right on my understanding of Islamic belief? And if you are Muslim, are you Sunni, Shi'a, or one of the others?

    And when it comes to Islamic belief concerning insurance, I could argue the point, but I'm not sure that would serve the purpose of this thread.

    Back to the matter at hand. According to the reference you gave:

    On one key point, the Institute of Medicine and Kronick actually aren't that far apart. Kronick said he doesn't doubt that individuals' health suffers when they're uninsured — he just hasn't found evidence that they die sooner. "No one would choose not to have insurance if they could afford it," Kronick said. "There's no benefit to having 47 million Americans uninsured."

    The purpose of the ACA wasn't merely to save peoples' lives - before the ACA, half of all bankruptcies in America were due at least in part to medical expenses...and bankruptcies and foreclosures not only hurt the individual or family, but also those with whom that individual or family did business. If the ACA can make a dent in the number of bankruptcies, then that certainly benefits America as a whole.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Interesting - and welcome to the discussion. Are you Muslim? And if so, please understand I'm not at all troubled by that; indeed, I'm happy to see you here. I am Christian, but the Church of which I am a member (Iglesia ni Cristo, which is Tagalog for "Church of Christ") is in agreement with Islam that only God is God, that Jesus has never been and never will be God. To my knowledge, all other "Christian" churches and sects hold as dogma that Jesus is God or, as in the Jehovah's Witnesses, that He is a mighty God, but just not the Almighty God. When it comes to the very nature of God Himself, then, Islam is right and the vast majority of mainstream "Christianity" is wrong. Where Islam and the Iglesia ni Cristo differ is that we believe that Jesus is still the Son of God and is our Savior, whereas IIRC Islam holds Jesus to be a great prophet. Am I right on my understanding of Islamic belief? And if you are Muslim, are you Sunni, Shi'a, or one of the others?

    And when it comes to Islamic belief concerning insurance, I could argue the point, but I'm not sure that would serve the purpose of this thread.

    Back to the matter at hand. According to the reference you gave:

    On one key point, the Institute of Medicine and Kronick actually aren't that far apart. Kronick said he doesn't doubt that individuals' health suffers when they're uninsured — he just hasn't found evidence that they die sooner. "No one would choose not to have insurance if they could afford it," Kronick said. "There's no benefit to having 47 million Americans uninsured."

    The purpose of the ACA wasn't merely to save peoples' lives - before the ACA, half of all bankruptcies in America were due at least in part to medical expenses...and bankruptcies and foreclosures not only hurt the individual or family, but also those with whom that individual or family did business. If the ACA can make a dent in the number of bankruptcies, then that certainly benefits America as a whole.
    Hmmm. I should not butt in, and you're right about this perhaps not being the right thread, but my curiosity has got the better of me. How can a church that does not accept the divinity of Christ be called "Christian?" For the record, I'm agnostic.
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