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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The top 25% of earners pay 87% of federal income taxes so the problem you claim doesn't actually exist.
    What I've said for a long time now, Jack, is that if entry-level workers are paid a living wage, then they can pay their fair share of taxes...which you must admit would take some of the tax burden away from the rich. One could argue that instead of paying taxes, the rich would lose just as much or more because they'd be paying their workers more...but the flip side to that argument is that the lower middle-class and below generally don't have much in the way of savings - they spend pretty much all their income...which goes right back into the pockets of the rich.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Poverty is relative, as well. Especially in a republic where means tested corporate welfare even has paid multi-million dollar bonuses to Persons who were nowhere near the poverty thresholds and could afford to hire entire departments to help them conform to rational choice theory or fill out corporate welfare forms in triplicate, if necessary.
    So you believe two wrongs make a right?

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So you believe two wrongs make a right?
    They don't, It just seems the right doesn't really have a problem with income transfers and direct payment to even artificial persons of wealth, but Only seem to have a problem if the least wealthy may benefit.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Can you show me where a MW increase of 50% (or more) has not?
    I am not aware that there has been any MW increase of 50% in the past...and that means that your question is logically fallacious. I asked you if you can show if there have been many jobs lost in the past due to MW increases - and there HAVE been many MW increases. But your question asks me to prove a negative...which is a logical fallacy.

    FYI, it was 1938 when America first introduced the minimum wage - and one could argue that the initial introduction of a minimum wage is by definition a 100% MW hike. So...when the MW was first introduced in 1938, did that drive us further into the Depression? Apparently not.

    And Australia - where the minimum wage is over twice what our own is - has not had a recession in over twenty years. Been to Perth three times and Hobart, Tasmania twice...and you'd be amazed to see the similarities in how things work there compared to here...and I never once saw a homeless person there.

    I know, I know, your next reply will be "So why don't you move to Australia?" And my reply to that is (1) I've thought about it many times, but I like the weather here better, and (2) what the heck is wrong with looking at what other nations are doing, and if their ideas are working better, putting them into action here? There's nothing wrong with that - we're all every bit as human as each other...and people really are the same all over the world.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    They don't, It just seems the right doesn't really have a problem with income transfers and direct payment to even artificial persons of wealth, but Only seem to have a problem if the least wealthy may benefit.
    I wont disagree with you there. Thats why Im against any sort of welfare or entitlement, be it individual or corporation.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I wont disagree with you there. Thats why Im against any sort of welfare or entitlement, be it individual or corporation.
    Yet, those of your point of view seem to be consistently more, for less social spending on the least wealthy while corporate welfare even pays multi-million dollar bonuses.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It had no correlation to the discussion. You're bringing in medical examples.

    You're on here claiming people need a living wage, but when you're pressed to define it, you become mute. All you're doing is repeating what you've heard and you don't even understand it. We aren't talking about diabetes, which by the way I can talk intelligently about as my husband has had it since he was 9.
    What I pointed out to you - and what you refuse to grasp - is that one doesn't have to know all the intricate details of a complicated issue to be able to say that one side of the issue is better than the other. Are you an expert on every issue you discuss on this forum? Of course you aren't - no one is. When you ask me to define the details of a living wage, you're hoping for a simple explanation - but the answer is not and can not be simply answered. It would involve studies of the costs of living within counties or regions within a state - food, housing, clothing - and then there's education costs. And should the costs of computers and internet access be included, since such are becoming essential to the point of being appliances and utilities rather than luxuries? These are all questions that must be studied and answered by those who have a heck of a lot more education than I in these fields.

    So for you to expect me to provide a detailed answer when it's obvious that I can't know everything you want to know, to the level of detail that you demand...is simply unreasonable.

    But I will remind you of this particular discussion the next time I see you taking a strong stand on another issue when it's obvious that you aren't an expert on that issue...like, say, climate change or military spending.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And Australia - where the minimum wage is over twice what our own is - has not had a recession in over twenty years. Been to Perth three times and Hobart, Tasmania twice...and you'd be amazed to see the similarities in how things work there compared to here...and I never once saw a homeless person there.
    Ive been to Australia and was there for a few days in 2008 and their minimum wage had nothing to do with them weathering the financial crisis. The simple reasons is that Australian banks didnt over leverage themselves unlike the ones in the US and EU, their government had a budget surplus and their central bank didnt keep interest rates at zero which is what the US Fed did. Apples and oranges.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    No, if you make enough money to be in the highest tax bracket, you have a larger responsibility to the state. You owe your financial success in part to the nation we live in which allows you to prosper. That and tax dollars building schools, libraries, and roads gives other citizens the ability to prosper, bolstering the economy of the nation as a whole.
    If the state is capable of making the rich rich....why are there poor?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Yet, those of your point of view seem to be consistently more, for less social spending on the least wealthy while corporate welfare even pays multi-million dollar bonuses.
    If the board of directors and shareholders decide to give huge bonuses to their corporate CEOs thats their business since its their companies that are private.

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