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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    If there is some obvious reason why I should change my mind, feel free to mention it.
    You shouldn't. Socialists and statists like yourself recognize their own inadequacies, so this mentality creates a de facto excuse.

    Tah-dah! Now it's not your fault.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You shouldn't. Socialists and statists like yourself recognize their own inadequacies, so this mentality creates a de facto excuse.

    Tah-dah! Now it's not your fault.
    You don't know me, so there's no way to know if your projections of me fit the truth.

    Regardless, the matter seems straightforward. Opportunity only exists because of the effort that goes into securing it through the implementation of government and the law.

    The more dependent you are on opportunity, the greater your obligation to protect it.

    Why should a man who exists in the margins of society -- who stands to lose nothing if it fails, since he lives by the law of nature anyway -- be expected to contribute more than someone who depends on an intricate web of treaties, courts, and public resources in order to meet their personal economic goals?

    Large corporations devour the energies and attentions of the courts of the United States of America far more than the common man. They receive more recognition from congressmen, senators, and presidents.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Individual tax rates? Or as a percentage of total taxes they pay?
    What percentage of all federal income taxes should the top 10% of earners pay?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You don't know me, so there's no way to know if your projections of me fit the truth.

    Regardless, the matter seems straightforward. Opportunity only exists because of the effort that goes into securing it through the implementation of government and the law.

    The more dependent you are on opportunity, the greater your obligation to protect it.

    Why should a man who exists in the margins of society -- who stands to lose nothing if it fails, since he lives by the law of nature anyway -- be expected to contribute more than someone who depends on an intricate web of treaties, courts, and public resources in order to meet their personal economic goals?

    Large corporations devour the energies and attentions of the courts of the United States of America far more than the common man. They receive more recognition from congressmen, senators, and presidents.
    Yeah yeah, I get it. Government determines winners and losers. Blah blah blah.

    It's a defeatist attitude. Anyone who is successful by going out and staking his claim would find your opinion deplorable. However, it's a mantra for the unskilled, uneducated, and unremarkable because it creates a situation where failure is shirked.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Haha. Sounds familiar...

    We do need taxes for infrastructure, defense, and other public market failures. They just don't have to be near what they are now.
    Can we raise everybody else's and lower yours to pay the debts of the past 237 years? Would that be fine? They can raise my taxes to 50% but that probably wouldn't be enough to pay for all of our debts and the government services to which Americans have become accustomed.

    I don't see how we can cut our way out of the problem. I really don't.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yeah yeah, I get it. Government determines winners and losers. Blah blah blah.

    It's a defeatist attitude. Anyone who is successful by going out and staking his claim would find your opinion deplorable. However, it's a mantra for the unskilled, uneducated, and unremarkable because it creates a situation where failure is shirked.
    It doesn't matter whether I am a defeatist or an optimist. In all other economic arrangements, people pay more based on their reliance on a good or service.

    If rich people depend on ordered society, law, and government more than the common man, then they should pay more in taxes than the common man.

    That's how value-for-dollar arrangements work.

    If the United States government fails, then the treaties that limit the development of foreign pharmaceuticals or the copyrights or the ownership of foreign property by American corporations go up in smoke.

    The very rich stand to lose more money than me.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Why do those things need to be force monopolized and funded through extortion?
    We should fund them with donations.

    Anybody want to pitch in $1 to fund infrastructure, defense, other public market failures, public roads, programs for the poor, funding for military, funding for law enforcement, funding for health services and funding for governmental research?

    We might raise enough. How many Americans are there? 350,000,000 or something like that? $350,000,000 should be enough.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It doesn't matter whether I am a defeatist or an optimist. In all other economic arrangements, people pay more based on their reliance on a good or service.

    If rich people depend on ordered society, law, and government more than the common man, then they should pay more in taxes than the common man.

    That's how value-for-dollar arrangements work.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what does that have to do with tax rates
    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    those poor, poor, rich people
    I am poor as s***. Let them rich people know I will buy them a loaf of bread if they ever get hungry. They have it pretty tough sometime but somehow they do manage to get by. I think it is their business savvy that allows them to stretch their meager existence in order to survive.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I am poor as s***. Let them rich people know I will buy them a loaf of bread if they ever get hungry. They have it pretty tough sometime but somehow they do manage to get by. I think it is their business savvy that allows them to stretch their meager existence in order to survive.
    business savvy...and being born rich and having lots of corporate welfare helps.
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