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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    $15 an hour is a "living wage" for a family of 4? That's $600 a week, pre-tax; $31,200 a year, pre-tax.

    That's not a "living wage", sorry.
    Depends on where you live, doesn't it? In the MS Delta, that's enough to make do without public assistance (esp. now that Obamacare takes care of the health care costs). But in Seattle, not so much. That's why it must be set by the state, probably with respect to regions or counties within that state.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Depends on where you live, doesn't it? In the MS Delta, that's enough to make do without public assistance (esp. now that Obamacare takes care of the health care costs). But in Seattle, not so much. That's why it must be set by the state, probably with respect to regions or counties within that state.
    So in order to live in the Delta on $15 an hour, you would be okay as long as you were receiving an entitlement from Obamacare. Is that correct?

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Picture this: you don't have a college education (or maybe you do)...and the only jobs available are those that pay a minimum wage. So what do you do? Do you remain unemployed? Or do you take that job, even though conservatives look down on you for making such a poor career choice? And look at the workers next time you're at Wal-Mart - are they all teenagers, or are they mostly mature adults, who are of an age to have children or even teenagers in their homes?

    That's the way it is in third-world countries - you either take a job paying a pittance...or you don't get a job at all. That's where Ayn Rand's oh-so-philosophically-moral way of life would take us.



    As I stated to TB above, it would have to be set by the state, or at the regional or even county level overseen by the state. And red states would be free to set it at where they think it should be...and so would blue states. And this doesn't mean that young people entering the workplace would have a harder time finding a job, either, since even though the workers would be paid more, pretty much all their money goes right back into the economy, back into the pockets of the business owners ANYWAY.

    Or we could do it like oh-so-tyrannical Australia does, where the minimum wage is about $16.81 USD...for adults. Teenagers get paid a bit less. And Australia hasn't had a recession in over twenty years. Just something to think about.
    Looks like a bunch of people should move to Australia then. Oh that's right, could be problems on the horizon with all the auto manufacturers shutting down their assembly plants in the country. Wonder why they are putting all those people out of work?

    So the Progressive answer is to create more regulatory agencies anchored in each state, or perhaps even in each county in a state, and/or region, empowered with deciding how people should live.

    I'm sorry, but that has got to be one of the more poorly thought out ideas I've seen on this subject. Please tell me this isn't circulating around the Progressive Machine websites.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Looks like a bunch of people should move to Australia then. Oh that's right, could be problems on the horizon with all the auto manufacturers shutting down their assembly plants in the country. Wonder why they are putting all those people out of work?

    So the Progressive answer is to create more regulatory agencies anchored in each state, or perhaps even in each county in a state, and/or region, empowered with deciding how people should live.

    I'm sorry, but that has got to be one of the more poorly thought out ideas I've seen on this subject. Please tell me this isn't circulating around the Progressive Machine websites.
    So in your eyes the Australian economy's about to go down the tubes? Hm. How many recessions have they been through in the past twenty years? ZERO. How many have we been through? Two...including one that was the worst since the Great Depression. So our oh-so-great capitalist system doesn't have a whole lot of room to talk, does it?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in order to live in the Delta on $15 an hour, you would be okay as long as you were receiving an entitlement from Obamacare. Is that correct?
    Yes, I believe so. The cost of living there is pretty cheap...as long as one is careful.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, I believe so. The cost of living there is pretty cheap...as long as one is careful.
    So you propose that the WalMart workers there go from one entitlement program because their wages are too low to slightly higher wages and a different entitlement program in order to "live".

    Think about how absurd that is.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So you propose that the WalMart workers there go from one entitlement program because their wages are too low to slightly higher wages and a different entitlement program in order to "live".

    Think about how absurd that is.
    It's not "slightly" higher wages - going from $10/hour (which is more than most Wal-Mart workers get) to $15/hour is a 50% wage hike. I think that qualifies as something a heck of a lot better than "slightly".

    And when people make more, they get less in subsidies to pay for their PRIVATE health insurance through Obamacare. That, too, is important to remember.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    No, if you make enough money to be in the highest tax bracket, you have a larger responsibility to the state. You owe your financial success in part to the nation we live in which allows you to prosper. That and tax dollars building schools, libraries, and roads gives other citizens the ability to prosper, bolstering the economy of the nation as a whole.
    Have you ever considered......no, I suppose you haven't.

    It's not the state that makes people successful. It's the people who make the state successful.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Depends on where you live, doesn't it? In the MS Delta, that's enough to make do without public assistance (esp. now that Obamacare takes care of the health care costs). But in Seattle, not so much. That's why it must be set by the state, probably with respect to regions or counties within that state.
    Actually the "living wage" concept could depend upon lots of things but most include the number of dependents (like the federal poverty level) and cost of living (locality pay adjustment).
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It's not "slightly" higher wages - going from $10/hour (which is more than most Wal-Mart workers get) to $15/hour is a 50% wage hike. I think that qualifies as something a heck of a lot better than "slightly".

    And when people make more, they get less in subsidies to pay for their PRIVATE health insurance through Obamacare. That, too, is important to remember.
    If you make $1 an hour today, and your boss raises it to $2 an hour, that's a 100% wage hike. Does that mean your boss is paying you a living wage because he's given you a better than "slightly" raise?

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